JSngry Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAExfz82xI Quote
JSngry Posted March 30, 2008 Author Report Posted March 30, 2008 That one was just weird. This one is kinda scary... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9180bL_c8...feature=related Quote
captainwrong Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 That one was just weird. This one is kinda scary... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9180bL_c8...feature=related Wow, I've never seen Buddy clowning before. WTF? Quote
rostasi Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 Yeah! and it's got Greg Morris on trumpet! Quote
Harold_Z Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 That one was just weird. This one is kinda scary... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9180bL_c8...feature=related Wow, I've never seen Buddy clowning before. WTF? Yeah...but his drumming is kind of......INCREDIBLE! Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 (edited) Didn't have tv from about '65 to '67. First memory of watching it again was with Roscoe an Lester Bowie. We were sitting in our kitchen and Lester said the final "Fugitive" was on. We watched the last episode. I remember Lester screaming about the "mf one armed guy". Edited March 31, 2008 by Chuck Nessa Quote
paul secor Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 How cool was that? Watching The Fugitive with Lester Bowie & Roscoe Mitchell!! Quote
BruceH Posted March 30, 2008 Report Posted March 30, 2008 Who did you watch the final episode of M*A*S*H with? Quote
GA Russell Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Thanks, Jim. The PJ band is my favorite Buddy Rich. When I have a free half hour I'll go through the others there at YouTube. Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiAExfz82xI That's some demonic drumming. And the band is pretty demonic too. Quote
JSngry Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Posted March 31, 2008 Demonic...yeah...that's about it. And try as I might.... I mean, this type stuff was right in there with the first jazz I got into back in 9th grade and shit, and some of it, like Maynard & Woody, I never got really bent out of shape over liking it, but Buddy...man, his shit "swings" but is in no way relaxed or otherwise conducive to what I want out of life, and therefore music. So for the longest, I avoided it, paid it its fullest props because it deserved it, but otherwise... And yet, just this weekend, I went out and bought two Buddy Rich PJ CDs, brought'em home, and was fascinated at what I heard. It might not be what I want out of life, but damn, there's some kind of primal power there, real power, and... I dunno. Quote
rostasi Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 I think I know what your saying here. I remember the days of talking with guys who were heavily into the jigsaw puzzle - the more intricate the better - even those 3-D jobbies! ...and you could really relate to all of it's intricacies, BUT then sometimes the picture, more often than not, turned into a boring seaside postcard scene (NOT with Rich tho) and after a few months, years, etc of being given boring puzzles, it was easy to dismiss ALL of them - even the "rich" ones - that you never really wanted to spend time with any of them or even back away to see the real picture. Quote
Mark Stryker Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 (edited) I think I may have mentioned this in an earlier thread about Jay Corre but Buddy's records were also among the very first I ever owned. I heard my brother's high school jazz band play "Big Swing Face" and that's what first hooked me into jazz when I was 10. I remain very fond of those World Pacific LPs, and it's not "first kiss" syndrome. I know what Jim is saying -- there's something about this band, Buddy, the charts, the vibe, something that emits a compelling charisma. It's definitely in a pocket -- not a Basie pocket mind you, but a pocket nonetheless. (Buddy would often sit in with Basie, which must have been great to hear.) Here's a slightly later edition of the band with Don Menza and Al Porcino. Does any film exist of the band with Art Pepper? http://youtube.com/watch?v=iJA1Ptr4s5Y Edited March 31, 2008 by Mark Stryker Quote
marcello Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Bexause I had friends who played in Buddy's band over the years, I saw the band more than most people, and I never, ever, saw Buddy play a set that he didn't mean or a solo that didn't thrill. You can't say that aboput many performers. Here's a clip made at the Top of the Plaza, in my hometown, Rochester, N.Y. I saw many big bands there that played for a week at a time: Buddy, Kenton, Herman, Freguson, Thad & Mel etc. I even saw a Buddy Rich Trio there with Jimmy McGriff and Illinois Jacquet. This band had a Rochester area native (Mt. Morris), Pat LaBarbera: Quote
Free For All Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Who did you watch the final episode of M*A*S*H with? *onty *lexander and *cott *amilton? *ose *llison and *lide *ampton? Quote
marcello Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Mark, I've got to say that's Joe Romano on alto also. Thanks! Quote
marcello Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 While I'm at it, here's a Buddy Rich Quartet with Steve Marcus, Mike Boone on bass and my best friend Barry Kiener on piano, about six months before Barry died: Quote
Mark Stryker Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 From Down Beat, Sept. 9, 1976. Interview with Philly Joe Jones by Sandy Davis. Davis: Who are your favorite drummers? Jones: My favorite drummers are -- and always have been -- Max Roach, Art Blakey, Kenny Clarke, Buddy Rich. I always get looked at funny when I mention Buddy Rich. Shit! If any drummer looks another way when Bernard is doing his thing, he's not only crazy but I'll bet you'll never hear his name get any size in music. Max don't want to play like Buddy and I'm sure it's the same with Art, Kenny and the others; but really, who do you know can upstage Buddy Rich? Or get the same ovation from the audience? If you listen and watch Buddy and have hands and mind, you'll cop something. I played with his big band and have been in competition abroad with all the aforementioned, plus Shelly Manne and Louis Bellson. And then there's Mickey Roker, Freddie Waits and Billy Higgins -- nothing but drummers forever. Quote
randissimo Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 From Down Beat, Sept. 9, 1976. Interview with Philly Joe Jones by Sandy Davis. Davis: Who are your favorite drummers? Jones: My favorite drummers are -- and always have been -- Max Roach, Art Blakey, Kenny Clarke, Buddy Rich. I always get looked at funny when I mention Buddy Rich. Shit! If any drummer looks another way when Bernard is doing his thing, he's not only crazy but I'll bet you'll never hear his name get any size in music. Max don't want to play like Buddy and I'm sure it's the same with Art, Kenny and the others; but really, who do you know can upstage Buddy Rich? Or get the same ovation from the audience? If you listen and watch Buddy and have hands and mind, you'll cop something. I played with his big band and have been in competition abroad with all the aforementioned, plus Shelly Manne and Louis Bellson. And then there's Mickey Roker, Freddie Waits and Billy Higgins -- nothing but drummers forever. Enjoying this thread and this particular post... Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 From Down Beat, Sept. 9, 1976. Interview with Philly Joe Jones by Sandy Davis. Davis: Who are your favorite drummers? Jones: My favorite drummers are -- and always have been -- Max Roach, Art Blakey, Kenny Clarke, Buddy Rich. I always get looked at funny when I mention Buddy Rich. Shit! If any drummer looks another way when Bernard is doing his thing, he's not only crazy but I'll bet you'll never hear his name get any size in music. Max don't want to play like Buddy and I'm sure it's the same with Art, Kenny and the others; but really, who do you know can upstage Buddy Rich? Or get the same ovation from the audience? If you listen and watch Buddy and have hands and mind, you'll cop something. I played with his big band and have been in competition abroad with all the aforementioned, plus Shelly Manne and Louis Bellson. And then there's Mickey Roker, Freddie Waits and Billy Higgins -- nothing but drummers forever. Enjoying this thread and this particular post... Funny, when I saw that clip, the first thing I thought of was how much he sounded like Philly Joe at times. The explosive attack. Quote
Mark Stryker Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 From Down Beat, Sept. 9, 1976. Interview with Philly Joe Jones by Sandy Davis. Davis: Who are your favorite drummers? Jones: My favorite drummers are -- and always have been -- Max Roach, Art Blakey, Kenny Clarke, Buddy Rich. I always get looked at funny when I mention Buddy Rich. Shit! If any drummer looks another way when Bernard is doing his thing, he's not only crazy but I'll bet you'll never hear his name get any size in music. Max don't want to play like Buddy and I'm sure it's the same with Art, Kenny and the others; but really, who do you know can upstage Buddy Rich? Or get the same ovation from the audience? If you listen and watch Buddy and have hands and mind, you'll cop something. I played with his big band and have been in competition abroad with all the aforementioned, plus Shelly Manne and Louis Bellson. And then there's Mickey Roker, Freddie Waits and Billy Higgins -- nothing but drummers forever. Enjoying this thread and this particular post... Funny, when I saw that clip, the first thing I thought of was how much he sounded like Philly Joe at times. The explosive attack. I think another link between them is that both made extensive use of the classic drum rudiments as building blocks in their solos and fills -- maybe a drummer or someone with a better understanding of drum techniques than I have could provide details. There are 13 basic rudiments (I think) and then a bunch more ... I can tell when I player is schooled in them but I can't name more than a few. Quote
Larry Kart Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 I think another link between them is that both made extensive use of the classic drum rudiments as building blocks in their solos and fills. Absolutely. At times Philly Joe and Buddy sound like they're marching and swinging at the same time. Quote
marcello Posted March 31, 2008 Report Posted March 31, 2008 Kiener told me that once when they were playing in Vegas, that Frank sent over a couple of pounds of pot for the boys in the band. How true, I can't say, but it sounds like a nice gesture! Quote
Ted O'Reilly Posted April 1, 2008 Report Posted April 1, 2008 Without getting into a discussion of "gateway drugs", Kiener DID die of an overdose on the Rich band bus. I have an hour or more of Kiener's solo piano playing in Toronto. What a pianist! What a loss... Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 1, 2008 Report Posted April 1, 2008 Sadly, I think he might be more famous for his record collection. Quote
_forumlogo.png.a607ef20a6e0c299ab2aa6443aa1f32e.png)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.