Dan Gould Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Manny loved to hit Chad Bradford, so to the extent he won't see him, its a good pick up. But he's been pretty mediocre for many years now. And hey! I went to bed with the Rays up 1-0 in the seventh and figured they had yet another win. Glad to see the Mariners pulled it out. 'Bout time that team lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Dan said it to me in a PM earlier and I couldn't help but share it here cuz it's right on the mark: and thanks for nothing for rolling over for an old junk-throwing fart! Ain't that the truth. We kick the Yankees asses for two straight days, then our offense goes in the shitter. I'm tellin' ya: these guys are letting the Murphy injury mess with their heads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Looks like a nice pick-up: Aug. 8--SEATTLE -- A week after the non-waiver trade deadline passed with no movement by the Rays, they made a potentially significant addition Thursday. Tampa Bay acquired veteran reliever Chad Bradford from the Orioles for a player to be named, installing the most proficient groundball pitcher in the game in front of one of baseball's best defenses. Thanks in part to an unorthodox submarine delivery in which his knuckles nearly scrape the ground on each pitch, Bradford induces 4.89 grounders for every fly ball -- a trait that should make him a natural fit for the Rays. Don't know much about him other than what I've seen in games. Can't argue with fortifying an already solid bullpen. And the way they lost in Seattle last night, they could have used him. It's a numbers game at shortstop, but it'd be nice to see Zobrist stick somehow. Was also glad to read they benched Upton for a game for not running out a ground ball. And even Longoria got a little talking-to in the dugout in Seattle last night after jogging to first on a single to left. I'm pretty certain Longoria will get the message, hope Upton does, too. I see Bradford gets a ton of ground balls, so the perfect guy to come in and get a DP.. And it's Evan Longoria, not even Longoria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Cubs didn't play today. Series with the Cards starts tomorrow. Geez, I love to see pitchers hit. What a shame the other league is afraid to do that. Ruins the game. Yeah, nothing screams baseball like a .100 hitter coming up with runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs...and swinging like a girl while striking out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 And what is wrong with Brian Giles??? Nah, who wants a change to play in the playoffs, I'll stick with this horrible last place team, and have plenty of time to sit around watching others sweat in October.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldB3 Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) Yeah, nothing screams baseball like a .100 hitter coming up with runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs...and swinging like a girl while striking out.... That happens in the NL too? I thought it was just an Oakland A's specialty over the last month. Edited August 8, 2008 by WorldB3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yeah, nothing screams baseball like a .100 hitter coming up with runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs...and swinging like a girl while striking out.... That happens in the NL too? I thought it was just an Oakland A's specialty over the last month. You should really trade for our back up catcher Corky Miller(DNF'ed finally, but for some reason at AAA) was hitting .093 or thereabouts. I think I counted 5 braves pitchers with higher BA's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 And what is wrong with Brian Giles??? Nah, who wants a change to play in the playoffs, I'll stick with this horrible last place team, and have plenty of time to sit around watching others sweat in October.... Yeah, that is really lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Sabathia pitches another complete game shutout. Don't count the Brewers out (at least for the wild card). I'm waiting for the usual Cubs fade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILLYQ Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 As you and I know, RBIs are a function of who gets on base in front of you. Should he get a bunch of at bats with Crisp and Varitek in front of him, he probably won't maintain the RBI rate. Good point. Per the closer discussion, if the scenario is that Pap is going to *save* three games in a row, I'd agree with you. But if we're asking if he's going to pitch in three games where he gets a save, that's a different question. Given that we DON'T know in advance what the circumstance will be, I think you have to play the game for today. If you consider the Putz example, I think it's likely that if he'd entered a close game in the 7th during that two week skid the M's had, pitched 2-1/3, and maybe picked up a W instead of a save, that might have been enough to inspire a listless team. Instead, he was reserved for his 9th-inning role, as the team hopped right in the toilet without a life jacket. Another situation where you might want to use your best reliever is maybe in the eighth inning you have the #3 hitter get on base. You bring in your best reliever to face the 4,5,6 hitters. If he gets them without allowing a run, you can have anybody pitch the 9th to get the 7,8,9 hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkeith Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 As you and I know, RBIs are a function of who gets on base in front of you. Should he get a bunch of at bats with Crisp and Varitek in front of him, he probably won't maintain the RBI rate. Good point. Per the closer discussion, if the scenario is that Pap is going to *save* three games in a row, I'd agree with you. But if we're asking if he's going to pitch in three games where he gets a save, that's a different question. Given that we DON'T know in advance what the circumstance will be, I think you have to play the game for today. If you consider the Putz example, I think it's likely that if he'd entered a close game in the 7th during that two week skid the M's had, pitched 2-1/3, and maybe picked up a W instead of a save, that might have been enough to inspire a listless team. Instead, he was reserved for his 9th-inning role, as the team hopped right in the toilet without a life jacket. Another situation where you might want to use your best reliever is maybe in the eighth inning you have the #3 hitter get on base. You bring in your best reliever to face the 4,5,6 hitters. If he gets them without allowing a run, you can have anybody pitch the 9th to get the 7,8,9 hitters. Another good point, and truly, this is something we do see occasionally. Perhaps not the exact scenario, but I've seen both Torre (in past seasons) and Tito go to Mo and Pap respectively a little early if somebody gets on-base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 As you and I know, RBIs are a function of who gets on base in front of you. Should he get a bunch of at bats with Crisp and Varitek in front of him, he probably won't maintain the RBI rate. Good point. Per the closer discussion, if the scenario is that Pap is going to *save* three games in a row, I'd agree with you. But if we're asking if he's going to pitch in three games where he gets a save, that's a different question. Given that we DON'T know in advance what the circumstance will be, I think you have to play the game for today. If you consider the Putz example, I think it's likely that if he'd entered a close game in the 7th during that two week skid the M's had, pitched 2-1/3, and maybe picked up a W instead of a save, that might have been enough to inspire a listless team. Instead, he was reserved for his 9th-inning role, as the team hopped right in the toilet without a life jacket. Another situation where you might want to use your best reliever is maybe in the eighth inning you have the #3 hitter get on base. You bring in your best reliever to face the 4,5,6 hitters. If he gets them without allowing a run, you can have anybody pitch the 9th to get the 7,8,9 hitters. Another good point, and truly, this is something we do see occasionally. Perhaps not the exact scenario, but I've seen both Torre (in past seasons) and Tito go to Mo and Pap respectively a little early if somebody gets on-base. that's all true but its hardly a given that "anyone" can pitch the ninth facing the 7, 8 and 9 hitters, and that's regardless of the likelihood of a pinch hitter. And use restrictions virtually guarantee that you'll see the closer "early" under these circumstances only in three situations: struggling team and the closer hasn't been getting much work - they need the win, and he's "fresh". Late season, must-win game, and most especially against a direct play-off rival. Post-season, when you ride your horses the strongest knowing that soon enough, with or without a parade, those critical arms will have the off-season to rest up. Otherwise though, you're going to see the set-up corps mix and match its way to the closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Sabathia pitches another complete game shutout. Don't count the Brewers out (at least for the wild card). I'm waiting for the usual Cubs fade. Didn't I hear that the Cubs play something crazy like 16 of their last 21 games on the road????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Sabathia pitches another complete game shutout. Don't count the Brewers out (at least for the wild card). I'm waiting for the usual Cubs fade. Didn't I hear that the Cubs play something crazy like 16 of their last 21 games on the road????? I don't know but with Soriano back, they are firing on all cylinders. October here we come!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted August 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Fucking Dodgers. Barry Zito is the best player the other team has. Grrrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Sabathia pitches another complete game shutout. Don't count the Brewers out (at least for the wild card). I'm waiting for the usual Cubs fade. Didn't I hear that the Cubs play something crazy like 16 of their last 21 games on the road????? September schedule for Cubs is 9 home, 16 away. Six against the Brewers and six against the Cards evenly split home/away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Barry Zito is the best player the other team has. Good one ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted August 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Barry Zito is the best player the other team has. Good one ... Thanks. I figure at this point, as a Giants fan, you either laugh or you cry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 (edited) The tribe ain't outta it ...... They should sign Kenny Lofton Edited August 10, 2008 by Soulstation1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 The tribe ain't outta it ...... They should sign Kenny Lofton Get a-hold of yourself, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 He does that all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted August 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Now, now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I gave up on the Rays tonight when they were down 5-1 after five innings. Big mistake. A 6-run sixth and they pull out the win in extras. And our new fella Bradford gets the win. ... These are road games they absolutely have to win. Now Jackson has to finish off the Mariners on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I gave up on the Rays tonight when they were down 5-1 after five innings. Big mistake. A 6-run sixth and they pull out the win in extras. And our new fella Bradford gets the win. ... These are road games they absolutely have to win. Now Jackson has to finish off the Mariners on Sunday. CRIMINY! (It's the new Dan, how do you like him? ) I went to bed with hopes of picking up a game and awaken to read this. Well, that's all I got since the rest of my post would be a string of much stronger oaths than CRIMINY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I gave up on the Rays tonight when they were down 5-1 after five innings. Big mistake. A 6-run sixth and they pull out the win in extras. And our new fella Bradford gets the win. ... These are road games they absolutely have to win. Now Jackson has to finish off the Mariners on Sunday. CRIMINY! (It's the new Dan, how do you like him? ) I went to bed with hopes of picking up a game and awaken to read this. Well, that's all I got since the rest of my post would be a string of much stronger oaths than CRIMINY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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