Soul Stream Posted March 15, 2008 Report Posted March 15, 2008 Funny Jim...I actually have this issue and pulled it out the other day just to read it again. What a great interview...wish it were longer and a little more about the music and the scene and less about not getting coverage. Quote
JSngry Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Posted March 16, 2008 I kinda think that getting more coverage was a big part of his scene, if you know what I mean. Like the man said, music is his business. Quote
Soul Stream Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 I find it interesting in the sense that this was really the absolute end of an era for organ groups. After this it was electric piano and then death by DX7...by then Lou had gone straight ahead again and was using Herman Foster again on traditional piano. So this group was Lou's last working organ group. Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 Very interesting. Can't say it bothers me to hear Lou dissing the AG guys the same way he disses fusion guys today. Thanks for digging out these old DBs, Jim. I hope you have time to scan more interesting articles. Quote
JSngry Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Posted March 16, 2008 Thanks for digging out these old DBs, Jim. I hope you have time to scan more interesting articles. If there's enough interest, I will. BTW - have you checked out the Red Holloway Caught In The Act scan I posted in the Jazz In Print forum? Quote
Dan Gould Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 Thanks for digging out these old DBs, Jim. I hope you have time to scan more interesting articles. If there's enough interest, I will. BTW - have you checked out the Red Holloway Caught In The Act scan I posted in the Jazz In Print forum? Yes, just didn't post anything in response. I'm reading everything you post - WTF is Leonard Maltin doing reviewing jazz? Quote
JSngry Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Posted March 16, 2008 Leonard Maltin actually turns up a fair amount in early 70s DBs as record/live show reviewer/and article writer. Who knew? And not a lot, but a little "feedback" on these things is welcome, just so I know that enough people care to keep doing it. It's not a total pain in the butt, but my setup makes it a little more cumbersome than it probably needs to be, so occasionally knowing that people are digging it is kinda nice, if you know what I mean. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 i dont subscribe to that whole "lets hate on the DX-7" school of thought, the DX7 brought a whole new palate of sounds to the table, yes i dunno how suitable they were for JAZZ, but they are good when i wanna sound like tony banks Quote
user0815 Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 thanks for posting this interview ! interesting interview ... lou donaldson obviously has a very clear vision of himself and his music ... and he talks openly about it. Quote
wordsandsounds Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 Thanks for digging out these old DBs, Jim. I hope you have time to scan more interesting articles. If there's enough interest, I will. Interest, and more interest... More please! Quote
Soul Stream Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 I kinda think that getting more coverage was a big part of his scene, if you know what I mean. Like the man said, music is his business. I'm not sure if i agree. Lou was never a "concert" musician in the way Mingus or Ornette, Monk were. He was a working jazz musician playing ghetto clubs (his own description). As we all know, magazines like "Downbeat" look down their nose typically at what's going on at "street level." I think Lou and his band were just vocalizing a reality. Quote
JSngry Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Posted March 16, 2008 Well, sure. But why bother if you don't hope to get something out of it? More coverage = more demand = more work, right? Quote
DukeCity Posted March 16, 2008 Report Posted March 16, 2008 And not a lot, but a little "feedback" on these things is welcome, just so I know that enough people care to keep doing it. It's not a total pain in the butt, but my setup makes it a little more cumbersome than it probably needs to be, so occasionally knowing that people are digging it is kinda nice, if you know what I mean. I've really been enjoying checking out your scans. Thanks for doing/posting them! And feel free to do some more, if you get the urge... Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 27, 2008 Report Posted March 27, 2008 I kinda think that getting more coverage was a big part of his scene, if you know what I mean. Like the man said, music is his business. I'm not sure if i agree. Lou was never a "concert" musician in the way Mingus or Ornette, Monk were. He was a working jazz musician playing ghetto clubs (his own description). As we all know, magazines like "Downbeat" look down their nose typically at what's going on at "street level." I think Lou and his band were just vocalizing a reality. I am pretty surprised that DB even THOUGHT about doing a piece like this. I've never subscribed to the view that DB was anything other than an open-minded organisation - but there's a difference between being reactively open-minded and creatively open-minded. (And it's not just the c being in a different place ) It is pretty creative, it seems to me, actively to seek out a person who is going to criticise and satirise you and everything your organisation stands for, and let them have a free hand to get on with it. So, mucho credit to DB for doing it. Unfortunately, what Lou and the band said was water off a DB... MG Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted March 27, 2008 Report Posted March 27, 2008 Thanks for tipping me off about this thread, Jim. Never saw this back in the day - for obvious reasons. But I've almost always subscribed to Lou's views, even though I know he's wrong. I forget which band member said it but, "We carry the truth" was the key sentence in that piece, for me. It seems to me that the position of jazz in the black community is different to what it is in the white community (a crass generalisation, I know, but the best I can do). Lou's band carried a black truth into Ghetto clubs. Ornette etc carried a different truth into concert halls - not a white truth, but an everyone truth. Seems to me there's room for both truths in the world. Seems to me I need there to be both truths. What I don't like is the purveyors (or others with an interest) of either truth denigrating the other. So, in his way, Lou's as bad as Duck's Back. MG Quote
bdamusic Posted July 10, 2013 Report Posted July 10, 2013 I remember that band, saw his organist, Caesar Frazier, around 69-70, he was a big guy, and sat in a local bar that had a B3 ,he played great very smooth pedals, anyone know if he recorded on his own? Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted July 11, 2013 Report Posted July 11, 2013 Yes, he made 2 instrumental albums for Eastbound/Westbound Hail Ceasar - Eastbound Ceasar Frazier '75 - Westbound He also mad a vocal album for Westbound Another life - Westbound The two instrumental albums are very enjoyable. The vocal... very, very ordinary. (Still, at least his name's spelled correctly ) MG Quote
bdamusic Posted July 11, 2013 Report Posted July 11, 2013 thanks, I googled ,and found he's been in Radio,still playing piano & singing,http://www.blacksuccessfoundation.org/caesar_frazier%20bio.htm Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted July 12, 2013 Report Posted July 12, 2013 Nice. Thanks for that link. MG Quote
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