Your Top 10 in the 1967-1972 Soul Jazz / Acid Jazz ERA

[danasgoodstuff]

I'd have to agree that Lewis was solid but not spectacular on most sessions but maybe jazz guys weren't ready for aggressive bass playing then. The players in R&B/soul bands/records were all more interesting - Duck Dunn, Jamerson, Tommy Cogbill, Jermont, any of the many who played with James Brown. Intersting to note that in the '50s both Muddy and Little Walter had working bands with no bass player...

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

  danasgoodstuff said:

Intersting to note that in the '50s both Muddy and Little Walter had working bands with no bass player...

They probably just didn't get on with Willie Dixon. Who else was there?

MG

[danasgoodstuff]

Willie was busy in the studio but Muddy's been quoted to the effect that he didn't like loud/busy bass...Little walter may just have been too cheap, his typical line up was him, 2 guitars, drums. Plus, foe awhile, young Albert from Cleveland, god I'd like to hear that!

[Soul Stream]

groove holmes-onsaya joy

I was always curious about this record...nice to see it come up on some top 20 lists. I've never heard it, but would like to...vinyl has been pretty pricey on ebay.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

  Soul Stream said:

vinyl has been pretty pricey on ebay.

Dear. Oh dear.

MG

[analogak]

mg-onsaya joy is a live trio set on flying dutchman by groove holmes. he plays some synth and plays some serious bass. as a whole, it isn't much different than earlier holmes...more stretched out, but a lot of it is still swinging. still playing some of the same tunes-sweet georgia brown, for instance. the title track is a long funky jam, though...with an infectious guitar lick. and there is a nice version of song for my father. but it is just a very fun swingng live date (much better than x-77!) i don't know what pricey entails but i own two copies of the LP and both cost me about 20 bucks, which in your money is probably like 5 euros. i purchased on copy online and one in a new york city store...neither place known for good deals. i am sure it goes for a lot more sometimes, though. don't be scared off by the lameness of groove holmes other flying dutchman album (which i have and i can't even remember the name though the version of caravan is amusing.

the lamont johnson is on mainstream. he plays organ on this one. besides the mobley, johnson is on a number of jackie mclean albums, but i guess those are not in your wheelhouse. but on this mainstream album he plays wacked out funky stuff. he is playing some weird effected electric organ which sounds sort of like an out of tune toy but is very fun, imo. a number of the tunes are more acoustic piano-led swinging tunes which are nice, but the main interest is in the funky wacky organ tracks (weird band-sal marquez who played with zappa is on trumpet and charles owens who was on some good black jazz albums is on sax).

[AndrewHill]

Lonnie Smith-Think!

Lonnie Smith-The Turning Point

John Patton-Boogaloo

John Patton-Understanding

Andrew Hill-Grass Roots

Stanley Turrentine-Easy Walker

Ronnie Foster-Two Headed Freap

Lou Donaldson-Alligator Bogaloo

Lou Donaldson-The Scorpion

Roland Kirk-Volunteered Slavery

[analogak]

speaking of mainstream, i thought you would rate those charles williams/don pullen jams higher, mg.

[NaturalSoul]

  Chuck Nessa said:

Good post.

[NaturalSoul]

1 - Odell Brown & The Organizers - Mellow Yellow

2 - Lou Donaldson - Alligator Bogaloo

3 - Sonny Stitt - Live at the left bank

4 - Jack McDuff - The Natural Thing

5 - Boogaloo Joe Jones - What It Is

6 - Boogaloo Joe Jones - Right On Brother

7 - Lou Donaldon - Say It Loud

8 - Charles Earland - Black Talk

hmmmm

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

  dumpy mama said:

mg-onsaya joy is a live trio set on flying dutchman by groove holmes. he plays some synth and plays some serious bass. as a whole, it isn't much different than earlier holmes...more stretched out, but a lot of it is still swinging. still playing some of the same tunes-sweet georgia brown, for instance. the title track is a long funky jam, though...with an infectious guitar lick. and there is a nice version of song for my father. but it is just a very fun swingng live date (much better than x-77!) i don't know what pricey entails but i own two copies of the LP and both cost me about 20 bucks, which in your money is probably like 5 euros. i purchased on copy online and one in a new york city store...neither place known for good deals. i am sure it goes for a lot more sometimes, though. don't be scared off by the lameness of groove holmes other flying dutchman album (which i have and i can't even remember the name though the version of caravan is amusing.

the lamont johnson is on mainstream. he plays organ on this one. besides the mobley, johnson is on a number of jackie mclean albums, but i guess those are not in your wheelhouse. but on this mainstream album he plays wacked out funky stuff. he is playing some weird effected electric organ which sounds sort of like an out of tune toy but is very fun, imo. a number of the tunes are more acoustic piano-led swinging tunes which are nice, but the main interest is in the funky wacky organ tracks (weird band-sal marquez who played with zappa is on trumpet and charles owens who was on some good black jazz albums is on sax).

I'm most grateful Mama.

Yes, X77 is pretty poor. "I'm in the mood for love" is also - as you say, "Caravan" is OK. So is "Sweet Georgia Brown" - Roberta Flack lifted Holmes' approach on her last album (and made a rather better job of it, though it goes on too long).

The other Holmes on Fly Dutch is "Theme from the $6,000,000 man". Haven't heard that. I saw a copy in a cheapo cutouts shop in Soho many years ago and thought it looked suspiciously like total crap that I couldn't afford (in the light of what else was in the shop), so I passed.

Ah, the Lamont Johnson, I think, may have been reissued last year in Japan on P-vine, with all those other Mainstream funk efforts. I'll look into that.

MG

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

  dumpy mama said:

speaking of mainstream, i thought you would rate those charles williams/don pullen jams higher, mg.

They're wonderful, aren't they?

My REAL list of Soul Jazz favourites has about 300 albums

MG

[Soulstation1]

damn

headhunters 1973 doesn't make it

[sidewinder]

Subject to change:

1. Big John Patton 'Understanding' (BN)

2. Pat Martino 'El Hombre' (Prestige)

3. Big John Patton 'Got A Good Thing Goin'' (BN)

4. Lou Donaldson 'Alligator Boogaloo' (BN)

5. Big John Patton 'Accent on the Blues' (BN) (exception from the no-more-than-2 rule )

6. George Braith 'Musart' (Prestige)

7. Lonnie Smith 'Think' (BN)

8. Lonnie Smith 'Live at Club Mozambique' (BN)

9. Grant Green 'Live at the Lighthouse' (BN)

10. Grant Green 'Carryin' On' (BN)

Very, very honourable mentions:

Big John Patton 'Memphis To New York Spirit' (BN)

Big John Patton 'Boogaloo' (BN)

Jack McDuff 'Moon Rappin'' (BN)

Lonnie Smith 'Move Your Hand' (BN)

Lonnie Smith 'Drives' (BN)

and of course:

Andrew Hill 'Grass Roots' (BN)

Edited March 9, 2008 by sidewinder

[WorldB3]

  Soulstation1 said:

damn

headhunters 1973 doesn't make it

How about Fat Albert Routunda?

Does it fit the criteria. Great album.

[Soulstation1]

Got A Good Thing Going = 1966

[sidewinder]

  Soulstation1 said:

Got A Good Thing Going = 1966

It's too good to leave out.

[robertoart]

Live at the Club Mozambique - Lonnie Smith

Grass Roots - Andrew Hill

Contrast - Larry Young

Accent on the Blues - John Patton

That Certain Feeling - John Patton

Rusty Bryant Returns - Rusty Bryant

Live at the Lighthouse - Grant Green

Carryin On - Grant Green

Soul Brotherhood - Charles Kynard

Say it Loud - Lou Donaldson

Chosen from what I've got. Haven't heard the entire sessions for Alligator Boogaloo or El Hombre yet, or any of the Stitt/Patterson stuff like the Left Bank. So figure they would be otherwise included when I do.