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I'm not too big of a fan Roland Kirk's. I have one of his albums called "Case Of Three Sided Dream In Audio Color." I didn't like it, since I heard that album I haven't really felt the need to explore any of his other work.

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I'm not too big of a fan Roland Kirk's. I have one of his albums called "Case Of Three Sided Dream In Audio Color." I didn't like it, since I heard that album I haven't really felt the need to explore any of his other work.

I'd suggest that that is not the best place to start with Kirk. If you really want to hear Kirk, start with 'We Free kings' (my personal favorite-Three for the Festival for me sums up Kirk's genius), 'Rip, Rig or Panic/Now Don't You Cry beautiful Edith', Domino (it has Andrew Hill on it for Christ's sake) or The Inflated Tear. In fact, as some will surely suggest, the Roland Kirk Mercury Box is an excellent place to discover Kirk, although I don't have it due to cost restrictions, I do have a few of the Mercury's as single disks and they are just terrific stuff. Kirk's a treasure and one of the most unique jazz musicians in the canon. There's so much more to recommend (Kirk's Works, Bright Moments, etc) that you will find yourself emersed in so much great music. In other words, give him another try!

AndrewHill Newbie

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OMG please do not derail this thread!

there are a dozen RRk threads (mostly started by me) to discuss where to begin if BN will take a hint and use the search function!!

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No intention to, sorry man!

six string Newbie

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I'm not too big of a fan Roland Kirk's. I have one of his albums called "Case Of Three Sided Dream In Audio Color." I didn't like it, since I heard that album I haven't really felt the need to explore any of his other work.

This is the first album I ever heard by Kirk (back around '76 or so) and being a rocker, I was wondering wtf? right?

Fast forward almost thirty years after I had become not only a jazz fan, but a Rahsaan fan, I bought it again. I still didn't like it and resold it. Follow the recomendations here. Forget that album (I apologize to those who like it) and buy something else. He is a talent that is worth exploring. This album is not the one to start with. Have no fear. There are many other albums of his worthy of your attention. I'm serious. You probably need some Rahsaan in your life (you just don't know it yet).

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I'm not too big of a fan Roland Kirk's. I have one of his albums called "Case Of Three Sided Dream In Audio Color." I didn't like it, since I heard that album I haven't really felt the need to explore any of his other work.

This is the first album I ever heard by Kirk (back around '76 or so) and being a rocker, I was wondering wtf? right?

Fast forward almost thirty years after I had become not only a jazz fan, but a Rahsaan fan, I bought it again. I still didn't like it and resold it. Follow the recomendations here. Forget that album (I apologize to those who like it) and buy something else. He is a talent that is worth exploring. This album is not the one to start with. Have no fear. There are many other albums of his worthy of your attention. I'm serious. You probably need some Rahsaan in your life (you just don't know it yet).

I listened to "We Free Kings" and I thought some of it was okay, but why does he have to play two saxophones at the same time? That's just annoying as hell.

clifford_thornton Mentor

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Original Love, Staple Singers, and Roland Kirk Tour Poster from their April 18, 1968 concert at the Fillmore in San Francisco and April 19 and 20 at the Winterland.

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does anybody have any information about this concert?

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I don't know, but that is one hell of an odd lineup.

I remember thumbing through a Fillmore book and a number of similarly odd gigs seemed to be programmed there. Apparently they liked to mix-and-match genres in their billing.

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The first concert I went to was Santana at the Fillmore East(August 1970), and the opening act was RRK! I was 14 and didn't get RRK at all. Three years later I was lovin' his music.

Bill Graham did stuff like that, having Miles open for Neil Young, etc.

I haven't looked, but the concert that this thread started on might be on Wolfgang's Vault.

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Thanks for all the recommendations, my problem with Kirk is why does he play all of those at the same time? I mean what's the point? I heard him do that on "We Free Kings" and I thought it was annoying as hell.

You don't get it - listen to someone else, knucklehead.

It's not a matter of "getting it" or not, I just want to know why he did that? I mean how accurate was he when he plays all those saxophones at the same time? Was he trying to emulate multiple horn sections? I mean if somebody could give me some actual logic as to why he did that, then I might understand him better. "We Free Kings" sounds pretty damn good, but again I'm just trying to get to the bottom of his style.

John L Community Regular

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No, he wasn't trying to sound like a horn section. In that case, as you say, there would be no point. The sound that he got out of multiple horns was unique. It didn't sound like a horn section. That is that point, and he built part of his music on that sound. You might not like it, but there it is.

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The first concert I went to was Santana at the Fillmore East(August 1970), and the opening act was RRK! I was 14 and didn't get RRK at all. Three years later I was lovin' his music.

Bill Graham did stuff like that, having Miles open for Neil Young, etc.

I haven't looked, but the concert that this thread started on might be on Wolfgang's Vault.

nothing on Wolfgang's Vault.

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Adam Apprentice

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The first concert I went to was Santana at the Fillmore East(August 1970), and the opening act was RRK! I was 14 and didn't get RRK at all. Three years later I was lovin' his music.

Bill Graham did stuff like that, having Miles open for Neil Young, etc.

I haven't looked, but the concert that this thread started on might be on Wolfgang's Vault.

nothing on Wolfgang's Vault.

:(

Wolfgang's Vault keeps focusing on the rock acts. Since it was a Graham event, tapes probably do exist. It would make sense to write to Wolfgang's Vault to ask them to look into them and post them.

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Yeah, Wolfgang's doesn't have a lot of jazz - Miles, Larry Coryell, Mahavishnu - fusion stuff.

As mentioned, Graham was known for mixing genres and in most cases, it worked. "Fillmore: The Last Days" box set included a booklet that had a list of every concert from 11/6/65 to 7/4/71. Here are just a few of the interesting combinations:

Chuck Berry, Charles Lloyd Quartet, Steve Miller Blues Band

Cream, Electric Flag, Gary Burton

The Who, Cannonball Adderley, The Vagrants

Love, Staple Singers, Roland Kirk

Ten Years After, Country Weather (?), Sun Ra

The Who, Woody Herman & his Orch, A.B. Skhy

Santana, Sea Train, Yusef Lateef

Grateful Dead, Miles Davis, Stone the Crows, Clouds

Quicksilver Messenger Service, Don Ellis, Rockwell

John Mayall, Elvin Bishop Group, Herbie Hancock

Leon Russell, Miles Davis, Seatrain

Johnny Winter, J Geils Band, Dreams

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