New Shorty Rogers collection

[jazzbo]

Shorty is also prominently featured on this two cd set from Fresh Sounds. Includes the two Blue Note "Best from the West" volumes in excellent sound.

From Da Bastids site:

A treasure trove of west coast jazz work from the mid 50s -- one that features a number of unusual sessions! First off, the set includes 4 tracks that were initially recorded under the leadership of Shorty Rogers, most likely for RCA -- and featuring players that include Bud Shank, Bob Cooper, Jimmy Giuffre, and Pete Jolly -- on titles that include the Giuffre originals "Safari", "Ballade", and "Scarf Dance". Next up are 15 tracks from the rare Best From The West 10" jazz LPs for Blue Note -- originally billed as a "blindfold test" under the supervision of Leonard Feather, and some of the label's only west coast jazz sessions of the 50s! The musicians on the original record were not named -- probably because of contractual reasons -- but artists include Conte Candoli, Jimmy Giuffre, Charlie Mariano, Howard Roberts, Marty Paich, and others -- all coming together with a fresh, clean sound that's very much in the spirit of some of the best west coast work for labels like Pacific Jazz or Capitol at the time! This CD reissue includes both of the original 10" albums on one set -- along with much-needed notes on the players. Titles include "Santa Anita", "Culver City", "Burbank Bounce", "Arcadia", "Here's Pete", "Santa Monica", and "Blindfold Test No 1". The set then features 9 more tracks from sine 1957 sessions produced by Howard Lucraft, also done as a study in West Coast jazz -- featuring compositions by Lucraft that include "Smog A La Mode", "Jazz For Gene", "Larrisa", and "California Zephyr -- played by 3 different groups of players that include Bud Shank, Conte Candoli, Stu Williamson, Frank Rosolino, Charlie Mariano, and Buddy Collette. Last up are 4 more tunes from a 1955 session that features Stu Williamson, Herb Geller, Jack Montrose, and Bob Gordon -- on tracks that include "Id", "I'm Forever Counting Geigers", and "Skip To Me Loot". 38 tracks in all -- with full notes on the sessions and players!

[Ted O'Reilly]

I think (to be brief) that the main difference between a trumpet and a flugelhorn/cornet is the bore: the tube has parallel walls all the way through the trumpet, until the bell. On the flug/cornet, the tube is a cone, ever-expanding from the mouthpiece on...

Trumpets and trombones are straight-bore (can't imagine a cone-bore trombone -- would be hard to slide!). Tubas are cone-bore, so you could think of the cornet as a soprano tuba, I suppose.

The air (sound) moving through the trumpet is more direct, while the air (sound) in the cone-bore is softening as it makes its way through the instrument.

(Braxton plays contrabass clarinet a member of the woodwind family. Contrabass is a member of the violin family.)

[EulaM]

The Contra/Bass Saxophone is a huge thing, and it is hard to play and to play with a group is said to be even harder, as it takes a longer time from when the first notes are played for them to be audible, so it is hard for a band to get together and be on time with it, or so they say. Takes a bit of practice and knowhow.

Anything in Shorty's hands would look large, he was so diminutive. He drove a big gold Cadillac, him stetching upwards to see over the steering wheel, looking much like a little boy, that is until he got up closer and you could see who it was. We'd all be sitting down at 22nd Street at Ned's Surfboarder cafe out on his benches when here'd come Shorty driving by, we always got a kick out of seeing him in that big ol car.

I've read where a Fluegel Horn is a soprano "cornet". Got it finally, ha!

[EulaM]

Photo of Anthony Braxton playing Contra basss here on the Anthony Braxton thread, just click on it.

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...5&start=405

[Chuck Nessa]

I've read where a Fluegel Horn is a soprano "cornet". Got it finally, ha!

Where on earth did you read that?

[sidewinder]

What I meant to say is that a CORNET (not corOnet which just might be something else, I didn't check) is a sort of slightly shorter trumpet (as played by very early jazz musicians) whereas a fluegelhorn definitely is larger than a trumpet so a fluegelhorn cannot be a cornet.

But that's a side note only.

Yep, cornet and flugel horn are quite different instruments. Same bore size though, I believe. The 'plumbing' is tubed around in the cornet.

Edited February 9, 2008 by sidewinder

[EulaM]

I've read where a Fluegel Horn is a soprano "cornet". Got it finally, ha!

Where on earth did you read that?

On a google search, there's also a "Coronet" for sale there as well. I may have saved the thing on the one for sale, could be the seller just spelled it incorrectly as well.

[EulaM]

An interesting article, but still can't find what I've been looking for other than the instruments coming up on eBay.

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Cornet

Here's the eBay page:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?s...op=1&fsoo=1

Edited February 9, 2008 by EulaM

[analogak]

but if you go on ebay enough you can also find stuff by horace sliver and art blackey.

[Big Beat Steve]

Hey, that unwieldy thing Braxton is handling looks even larger than those BASS SAXES played by Adrian Rollini, Boyd Raeburn etc.

Good to see, though, we are actually talking about some sort of SAXOPHPNE and that this contraption is not a "contra bass" in the sense of the contra bass of the violin family. Could it be that this is actually a sax one notch below the Rollini/Raeburn bass sax? It does look larger ....

The antique character of this instrument (as mentioned by Sandi in the above Lighthouse anecdote with that unknown player) makes sense. An amateur saxophonist interested in this matter too once told me the last ones were made c.1945 (at least in Europe, France in this case).

Anyway, how about getting back to that Rogers CD compilation?

[EulaM]

but if you go on ebay enough you can also find stuff by horace sliver and art blackey.

Read my posts often enough you'll see why I lay claim to being "Queen of the typo's". It's shameful, but with cornet, being coronet, that wasn't one. Just a mistake.

[Free For All]

What I meant to say is that a CORNET (not corOnet which just might be something else, I didn't check) is a sort of slightly shorter trumpet (as played by very early jazz musicians) whereas a fluegelhorn definitely is larger than a trumpet so a fluegelhorn cannot be a cornet.

But that's a side note only.

Yep, cornet and flugel horn are quite different instruments. Same bore size though, I believe. The 'plumbing' is tubed around in the cornet.

Much of the difference is a result of whether the instrument is cylindrical (straight bore) or conical (increasing bore). The trumpet is mostly a cylindrical instrument, the flugelhorn is mostly conical and the cornet falls in between.

The trombone? Obviously a comical instrument.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Free For All

[Chuck Nessa]

The trombone? Obviously a comical instrument.

and a complete bore.

[EulaM]

The trombone? Obviously a comical instrument.

and a complete bore.

No comet.

[Chuck Nessa]

[Teasing the Korean]

Clementine had too much to drink. I hope some big bad jazzman doesn't try to take advantage of her in this condition.