alocispepraluger102 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 Monday, January 14, 2008 The atonal century 1n 1908, after being lambasted in the press and cuckolded by his wife, Arnold Schoenberg reinvented classical music. We're still trying to figure out what comes next John Keillor, National Post Published: Monday, January 14, 2008 This year marks the centenary of monosodium glutamate, drip coffee makers, the FBI and -- most importantly -- atonality as we know it. In 1908, Viennese composer Arnold Schoenberg led the classical tradition away from its audience, changing the world with music not in any key and of no commercial value. He put music before audiences, both literally and figuratively, and in doing so created some of Western culture's best music while gutting classical's contemporary significance. Schoenberg started writing compositions as a child in the 1880s, studying Bach and Mozart passionately. And though none of his family was artistic, his music began demonstrating genius, soon blending the sounds of those romantic antipodes, Brahms and Wagner. In the late 19th century, European opinion was primarily divided between these two composers. Brahms was a supposed reactionary who nonetheless wrote the first pieces that were completely thematic, wherein every bit of the score was related to the main melody. Wagner's blatantly progressive, extended tonalities seemed too delicate to support Brahms' tight melodic weaves. Nonetheless, Schoenberg put them together in his 1899 Transfigured Night, when he was just 25. It wasn't merely beautiful, sophisticated music; this half-hour string sextet was wise and heart-wrenching, on par with the best of Mahler or Richard Strauss. Schoenberg didn't just want to entertain; he was a culture warrior who said things like, "I have discovered a technique that will guarantee German music's supremacy for the next thousand years." At the turn of the century, most serious artists in Vienna were confronting psychoanalysis by looking inward. Painters were on the front lines of new ideas back then, and Schoenberg was active in this art as well. He and cutting-edge younger Viennese visual artists like Egon Shiele and Oskar Kokoschka were interested in the bald psychological stresses hinted at on the canvases of Klimt, Paul Klee and Wassily Kandinsky. Bodies and landscapes could now be legitimately, hideously rendered if the artist was revealing truth, the same way clenched hands betray the lie behind a smile. This style was dubbed expressionism, pulling the romantic pose inside out. Schoenberg's view of musical history allowed for a similar inversion. It ran something like this: from Mozart to Mahler, classical music became more and more dissonant, with more chromatic (or "wrong") notes in it, so that it was more indirect overall with each generation. The handling of chromatic notes was critical to a composer's unique sound. Schoenberg concluded that since wrong notes were coming more and more into the foreground of compositions, that they were music's progressive impetus. But the public was uninterested in difficult music. Schoenberg barely supported his family as a conductor. Critics were childishly toxic, writing clever cruelties like "Transfigured Night sounds similar to Tristan and Isolde if the ink were smeared across Wagner's score." By today's standards, these dissonances are no more offensive than one of Danny Elfman's soundtracks. Today, Schoenberg's genius (if not his saleability) is questionable only to insincere people, though Schoenberg himself had doubts. He said that God was telling him to say something new, but that his mortal ears couldn't absorb God's message. So instead of being pleased with having a few bona fide masterpieces under his belt, Schoenberg was often depressed, complaining that his music was derivative of the human condition, rather than accurately recording what God was telling him to say. This artistic quandary, both aesthetic and moral, didn't exist before Schoenberg. He wasn't a showman or an opportunist like Beethoven, who used his influence to sway court judges, or to charge fans money to watch him eat in restaurants. Schoenberg was the sort of guy who publicly affirmed his Judaism the day Hitler assumed the Chancellorship. The composer even travelled to Berlin just to do that. His absolute courage and sincerity extended to all things. But what seems to have pushed his imagination over tonality's edge was more personal and tangible. In the summer of 1908, while writing a song cycle titled The Book of the Hanging Garden, Schoenberg was vacationing in Grunden with his family. During this time, his wife Matilde left her husband to live with his painting instructor, Richard Gerstl. During the months his wife was absent, Schoenberg completed the song cycle with the last two numbers lacking any final cadence or primary chord. He suspended the traditional resolutions in his music, reflecting the upheaval in his marriage. His students made regular contact with Matilde until she was convinced to return. She eventually conceded that autumn. Gerstl burned all his paintings and then fatally stabbed himself. The next piece Schoenberg completed, in time for Christmas, was his second string quartet. It was dedicated to his wife, and the tonal centre was again undetectable in the final movements. In its place was a soprano soloist singing a Stefan George poem that begins "I feel the air of other planets." Schoenberg believed that he was closer to God's message now, and he never went back to tonality. His conviction influenced generations of composers who felt that a return to tuneful tonality was a backward tendency, fascistic even. A century of avant-garde music was thus born. Academics and connoisseurs really appreciated the results, though the general public assumed a thousand years of music just stopped being made. The closest thing we have to a recent mainstream compositional hero was the grinning deconstructionist John Cage, who was, incidentally, also Schoenberg's student. The performance arm of classical has successfully kept the tradition breathing, but its pendulum remains stuck to the populist end of the artistic spectrum. Now we just keep playing the old favourites while, hopefully, new composers figure something out. Copyright © 2007 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest MediaWorks Publications, Inc.. All rights reserved. Quote
T.D. Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 This is a really bizarre, and practically incoherent article. I can only hope, for the author's sake, that it got ruthlessly edited somewhere along the way... Prefer not to comment on the many gaps and peculiar assertions. (To many veterans of classical forums, the "tonality vs. atonality" subject has become tiresome and troll-ridden.) Thanks for posting it, though. Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Posted January 27, 2008 it obviously has been cut to hell. Quote
7/4 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 The closest thing we have to a recent mainstream compositional hero was the grinning deconstructionist John Cage, who was, incidentally, also Schoenberg's student. The performance arm of classical has successfully kept the tradition breathing, but its pendulum remains stuck to the populist end of the artistic spectrum. Now we just keep playing the old favourites while, hopefully, new composers figure something out. Seems like Mr. Keillor is a bit out of touch with the *new* music of today...there's a lot of contemporary composers influenced by the minimalism of Glass, Reich, Feldman and others. I'd hardly think of Schoenberg as mainstream...influential, certainly. Contemporaries of Cage like Harry Partch and fellow Schoenberg student Lou Harrison had more than a bit of an impact on the new music of today. Quote
Larry Kart Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 The closest thing we have to a recent mainstream compositional hero was the grinning deconstructionist John Cage, who was, incidentally, also Schoenberg's student. The performance arm of classical has successfully kept the tradition breathing, but its pendulum remains stuck to the populist end of the artistic spectrum. Now we just keep playing the old favourites while, hopefully, new composers figure something out. Seems like Mr. Keillor is a bit out of touch with the *new* music of today...there's a lot of contemporary composers influenced by the minimalism of Glass, Reich, Feldman and others. I'd hardly think of Schoenberg as mainstream...influential, certainly. Contemporaries of Cage like Harry Partch and fellow Schoenberg student Lou Harrison had more than a bit of an impact on the new music of today. Feldman is no minimalist, either in terms of his own practice or in terms of IMO meaningful influence on the people who commonly are given that label. Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Posted January 27, 2008 The closest thing we have to a recent mainstream compositional hero was the grinning deconstructionist John Cage, who was, incidentally, also Schoenberg's student. The performance arm of classical has successfully kept the tradition breathing, but its pendulum remains stuck to the populist end of the artistic spectrum. Now we just keep playing the old favourites while, hopefully, new composers figure something out. Seems like Mr. Keillor is a bit out of touch with the *new* music of today...there's a lot of contemporary composers influenced by the minimalism of Glass, Reich, Feldman and others. I'd hardly think of Schoenberg as mainstream...influential, certainly. Contemporaries of Cage like Harry Partch and fellow Schoenberg student Lou Harrison had more than a bit of an impact on the new music of today. Feldman is no minimalist, either in terms of his own practice or in terms of IMO meaningful influence on the people who commonly are given that label. Quote
Spontooneous Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 Was the article mercilessly cut? If so, the cutting is merciful for us. It's junk. It isn't even factually correct about Schoenberg. "He never went back to tonality." Yeah, right. Suite for Strings, Chamber Symphony #2, Theme and Variations for band, etc. The author apparently needs somebody to blame. As if music hadn't been pushed to the brink by Strauss, Scriabin and even Debussy. And the change in Schoenberg's music has to be attributed to the Gerstl affair. Yeah, right. Quote
7/4 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 The closest thing we have to a recent mainstream compositional hero was the grinning deconstructionist John Cage, who was, incidentally, also Schoenberg's student. The performance arm of classical has successfully kept the tradition breathing, but its pendulum remains stuck to the populist end of the artistic spectrum. Now we just keep playing the old favourites while, hopefully, new composers figure something out. Seems like Mr. Keillor is a bit out of touch with the *new* music of today...there's a lot of contemporary composers influenced by the minimalism of Glass, Reich, Feldman and others. I'd hardly think of Schoenberg as mainstream...influential, certainly. Contemporaries of Cage like Harry Partch and fellow Schoenberg student Lou Harrison had more than a bit of an impact on the new music of today. Feldman is no minimalist, either in terms of his own practice or in terms of IMO meaningful influence on the people who commonly are given that label. Just testing to see if anybody is reading carefully. So then what is Morton Feldman Larry? Quote
T.D. Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 Just testing to see if anybody is reading carefully. 'Fraid nobody's been reading carefully. The original article was such dreck that most tuned out. Quote
Larry Kart Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 [ So then what is Morton Feldman Larry? I'm not aware of any stylistic label that fits. While Feldman certainly was inspired by Cage at one brief point (or rather, Feldman found that what he already wanted to do and had begun to do was legimatized by Cage's example and approval), I don't see much resemblance between his music and any of Cage's except Cage's String Quartet, nor do I see much resemblance between Feldman and Earle Brown or Christian Wolff. As Feldman himself more or less said, the composer to whom he may be most closely related is Schubert. There's a Feldman quote that I'm no doubt messing up, but it may go like this: "In this piece I'm waving goodbye to Schubert." Louis Goldstein's great recording of "Triadic Memories" sure gives me a late-Schubert feeling at times. Quote
T.D. Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 Haven't listened to it for years, but I recall getting the impression that Feldman's "opera" Neither, at least the Hat Art realization, seemed to make a certain use of "minimalist cells", or something akin to them. Possibly some other orchestral music, though my memory's hazy (can't recall the specific piece) since I personally strongly prefer Feldman's chamber works. But I wouldn't call Feldman a minimalist, or put any other label on him. Quote
Larry Kart Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 Most minimalist music I've heard (but probably not all MM) has a steady, even motoric pulse -- one can hear a beat or beats, and this beat or these beats are key structural principles. "Cells" made of a few shifting shapes many later Feldman works have, but I can't think of a single Feldman piece that has a beat to it in the sense that many or even most minimalist pieces do. If I'm wrong about there being no Feldman piece that has a beat it in the sense I mean, I'm pretty someone will tell me about it. Quote
JSngry Posted January 27, 2008 Report Posted January 27, 2008 During this time, his wife Matilde left her husband to live with his painting instructor, Richard Gerstl...His students made regular contact with Matilde until she was convinced to return. She eventually conceded that autumn. Gerstl burned all his paintings and then fatally stabbed himself. Quote
Larry Kart Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 During this time, his wife Matilde left her husband to live with his painting instructor, Richard Gerstl...His students made regular contact with Matilde until she was convinced to return. She eventually conceded that autumn. Gerstl burned all his paintings and then fatally stabbed himself. This doesn't make sense to you? (Remember, we're talking about Vienna, not too long before the outbreak of World War I). Quote
Spontooneous Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 Hanged himself and THEN stabbed himself. A very thorough suicide. Quote
7/4 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 Influential composers from someone else's view point: A Different Herd. Quote
AllenLowe Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 how about, The Autistic Century ? Quote
AllenLowe Posted January 28, 2008 Report Posted January 28, 2008 "Hanged himself and THEN stabbed himself. A very thorough suicide. " I sure hope they made sure he was dead before they buried him - Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 29, 2008 Report Posted January 29, 2008 Most minimalist music I've heard (but probably not all MM) has a steady, even motoric pulse -- one can hear a beat or beats, and this beat or these beats are key structural principles. "Cells" made of a few shifting shapes many later Feldman works have, but I can't think of a single Feldman piece that has a beat to it in the sense that many or even most minimalist pieces do. If I'm wrong about there being no Feldman piece that has a beat it in the sense I mean, I'm pretty someone will tell me about it. Feldman is like Steve Lacy - beyond category. Feldman's music is gradated but not serial. (I mean "serial" in terms of minimal art, not in terms of serial music) Quote
Mark Stryker Posted January 29, 2008 Report Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) Here's a long piece about Feldman by composer-critic Kyle Gann: http://www.artsjournal.com/postclassic/200...ciency_fel.html Edited January 29, 2008 by Mark Stryker Quote
7/4 Posted January 29, 2008 Report Posted January 29, 2008 Feldman's music is gradated but not serial. (I mean "serial" in terms of minimal art, not in terms of serial music) more explanation...please. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 29, 2008 Report Posted January 29, 2008 OK. Look at a Rothko canvas, particularly a later one. There will likely be a few closely-valued hues that make up the color field. There are subtle variations between the areas of color, but that is not the same as repetition & variation of a theme (color, shape, size) on mathematical principles (or the illusion of such). The latter is one way to define "serial." That's usually the definition applied to minimal art. Minimal music - Reich, early Glass, Gibson - adheres mostly to that second principle. It's more in keeping with the visual art of say, Sol Lewitt or Carl Andre. Feldman's music is analogous to what I'm saying about Rothko. Quote
7/4 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Posted January 30, 2008 OK. Look at a Rothko canvas, particularly a later one. There will likely be a few closely-valued hues that make up the color field. There are subtle variations between the areas of color, but that is not the same as repetition & variation of a theme (color, shape, size) on mathematical principles (or the illusion of such). The latter is one way to define "serial." That's usually the definition applied to minimal art. Minimal music - Reich, early Glass, Gibson - adheres mostly to that second principle. It's more in keeping with the visual art of say, Sol Lewitt or Carl Andre. Feldman's music is analogous to what I'm saying about Rothko. Works for me... Quote
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