garthsj Posted January 18, 2008 Report Posted January 18, 2008 I apologize if this has been posted before, but this should be of interest to some here ... http://www.amazon.com/gp/r.html?R=7JQXHORU...6470_pe_snp_ZA2 Quote
king ubu Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 "Featuring the great masters of European jazz such as Chris Barber, Jan Garbarek, Juliette Gréco, Stefano Bollani and Till Brönner, to name but a few" - huh? Juliette Gréco and Till Brönner and Chris Barber are some of "the great masters of European jazz"? Sorry, give me a break! Everyone knows Garbarek, he's more of a new agey easy listening guy by now, and Bollani while very, very good, is only just getting started... alternative list (incomplete) of "great masters of European jazz": Albert Mangelsdorff John Surman Peter Brötzmann Misha Mengelberg Han Bennink Derek Bailey (jazz? well...) Enrico Rava Gianluigi Trovesi Giorgio Gasini Bernard Peiffer Barney Wilen Irene Schweizer Pierre Favre Daniel Humair Louis Sclavis Michel Portal Henri Texier Aldo Romano Manfred Schoof Krzystof Komeda Bernt Rosengren NHOP Peter Trunk Ronnie Ross Tony Coe Francy Boland ... wtf? I quite liked Benedikt's Blue Note film, but then mostly so because it was nice for the newbie I was back then, to see so many photos of these great musicians... but this is way over the top! Quote
sidewinder Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) alternative list (incomplete) of "great masters of European jazz": Wot - no Tubby Hayes and Joe Harriott? or Martial Solal. Edited January 20, 2008 by sidewinder Quote
Christiern Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 If history is the DVD's theme, your list, UBU, is far too limited, a Marsalis in reverse approach It comes down to one's definition of "European jazz." Are we talking about European jazz forms or any jazz played by Europeans? Chris would fit into the latter concept, Garbarek into the former (your categorization notwithstanding). Actually, garthsj's heading is as misleading as the DVD's title--its subtitle is, "The story of jazz in Europe," which leaves it wide open as to who is qualified for inclusion. Sounds like this might be nothing more than a collection of jazz performances on European soil. Armstrong? Miles? The stretch is obvious. Quote
king ubu Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 "Featuring the great masters of European jazz such as Chris Barber, Jan Garbarek, Juliette Gréco, Stefano Bollani and Till Brönner, to name but a few" - huh? Juliette Gréco and Till Brönner and Chris Barber are some of "the great masters of European jazz"? Sorry, give me a break! Everyone knows Garbarek, he's more of a new agey easy listening guy by now, and Bollani while very, very good, is only just getting started... alternative list (incomplete) of "great masters of European jazz": for those who only read the big print, soo... If history is the DVD's theme, your list, UBU, is far too limited, a Marsalis in reverse approach It comes down to one's definition of "European jazz." Are we talking about European jazz forms or any jazz played by Europeans? Chris would fit into the latter concept, Garbarek into the former (your categorization notwithstanding). Actually, garthsj's heading is as misleading as the DVD's title--its subtitle is, "The story of jazz in Europe," which leaves it wide open as to who is qualified for inclusion. Sounds like this might be nothing more than a collection of jazz performances on European soil. Armstrong? Miles? The stretch is obvious. If there wasn't a smiley there, my short reply would be eff-off... I don't like being compared to Wynetone, and I don't think my posting activities here give you any reason to do that, so please don't do that again, thanks for understanding. The Amazon blurb mentions how Benedict travelled through all of Europe to collect material... and if the all-encompassing aspect of this project gets stressed like it is in that blurb, I can't but oppose to that, even more so with the few mentioned names. Of course it didn't escape me that most of the names on the DVD cover are Americans - all the weirder. However, even if it's about expats in Europe and/or defining concert on European soil (yuck, Blut & Boden anyone? Is "soil" a harmless word in Engish/American?), the list would be different, including, for instance, Coleman Hawkins, Kenny Clarke, Ben Webster, Dexter Gordon, or in case of concerts, the Miles 1960 tour, the first bop concerts after WWII, or the Fondation Maeght concerts by Taylor and Ayler, or the Antibes concert by Coltrane. alternative list (incomplete) of "great masters of European jazz": Wot - no Tubby Hayes and Joe Harriott? or Martial Solal. As you might well know, I love Solal, you might know less about my love for Harriott, and as for Tubby, I'm not so well-versed yet... but I liked the four or five albums I've heard (including the great first one by Dizzy Reece on Blue Note). Quote
king ubu Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 Yeah, sort of, I guess... tough weeks, rather - sorry -_- Quote
Christiern Posted January 20, 2008 Report Posted January 20, 2008 We all have those days, weeks--even months. Quote
king ubu Posted January 21, 2008 Report Posted January 21, 2008 (edited) oh, and I still think this DVD looks like a weird over-ambitious thing... the film's from 2006, here's the cast list lifted off the IMDB entry: Arild Andersen ... Himself Georg Baselitz ... Himself Django Bates ... Himself Stefano Bollani ... Himself Till Brönner ... Himself Dee Dee Bridgewater ... Herself Richard Cook ... Himself Wolfgang Dauner ... Himself Karl-Heinz Drechsel ... Himself Manfred Eicher ... Himself Jon Falt ... Himself Jan Garbarek ... Himself Michel Godard ... Himself Dexter Gordon ... Himself (archive footage) Dusko Gojkovic ... Himself Juliette Gréco ... Herself Arve Henriksen ... Himself Anders Jormin ... Himself Krzysztof Komeda ... Himself (archive footage) Joachim Kühn ... Himself Paul Kuhn ... Himself Slawomir Kurkiewicz ... Himself Gérard La Viny ... Himself (as Gérard Lavigny) Albert Mangelsdorff ... Himself Marilyn Mazur ... Herself Palle Mikkelborg ... Himself Pino Minafra ... Himself Michal Miskiewicz ... Himself Niels Henning Ørsted Pedersen ... Himself Enrico Rava ... Himself Antonello Salis ... Himself Klaus Schulz ... Himself Coco Schumann ... Himself Louis Sclavis ... Himself Martial Solal ... Himself Tomasz Stanko ... Himself Bobo Stenson ... Himself Stan Tracy ... Himself René Urtreger ... Himself Christian Wallumrod ... Himself Marcin Wasilweski ... Himself Ben Webster ... Himself (archive footage) Richard Williams ... Himself Robert Wyatt ... Himself Joseph Zawinul ... Himself (as Joe Zawinul) rest of cast listed alphabetically: Louis Armstrong ... Himself (archive footage) (uncredited) Dizzy Gillespie ... Himself (archive footage) (uncredited) looks a bit better, but then again... it seems more or less limited to mainstream (incl. ECM, but then that turned maisntream long time ago), however with Sclavis, Rava, Urtreger, Kühn, Minafra, Salis etc. there are some interesting musicians in there, it seems. (edited for crappy original editing) Edited January 21, 2008 by king ubu Quote
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