Sundog Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Anybody bought the other Potter release that came out at the same time. 10 songs for anyone with a tentet. Some good bits but as constant as you hope it would be but still a fine record. I bought them both more or less when they came out. Songs for Anyone is quite good, reminds me of Wayne Shorter's Alegria in some ways. Both releases deserve attention IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Sorry about the following "deviation," Jim, but about using culture as a club, I'm reminded of the line (often misattributed to Hermann Goering, sometimes to Heinrich Himmler or Josef Goebbels): "Wenn ich Kultur höre ... entsichere ich meinen Browning." ("Whenever I hear of culture... I release the safety-catch of my Browning.") It's from Nazi playwright/Poet Laureate Hans Johst’s play "Schlagater,” about an executed (in 1923) member of the nascent Nazi Party, Albert Leo Schlagater, who then became one of the party's chief martyrs, a la Horst Wessel. What I mean to suggest by this (and again, it's something of a deviation from what we've been talking about) is that while all acts of what might be called culture arguably have political/social meaning, the too-ready, too-eager desire to leap from the one realm to the other (or even to decide that there is at bottom only one realm -- that of political-social action) has a fairly long and unpretty history behind it. On the other hand, if none of the above rings a bell, at least Organissimo now knows where that ""Wenn ich Kultur höre ..." line came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Did someone say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 (edited) Oh, so you're worried that I might take my Chris Potter record and maybe some house/broken-beat and use them for some sort of neo-Nazi propagandistic power play in an attempt to take over the Music World And Beyond? Well gee, Larry, I certainly understand your concern, given my industry-insider status and my history of megalomania and such, but I assure you that my intentions are slightly less grandiose. Edited December 2, 2007 by JSngry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Did someone say I was really trying not to, but I'd be a liar if I said it wasn't the first thing that came to my mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Not the same deal, but reading this thread I was reminded of some exchanges in another thread: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...mp;#entry690837 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 ...my history of megalomania and such... Yes, it was that that had me worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Not the same deal, but reading this thread I was reminded of some exchanges in another thread: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...mp;#entry690837 Hmm -- I'm really getting cranky in my old age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Larry, you was a cranky youth. That's what I love about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Larry, you was a cranky youth. That's what I love about you. And I about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Picked this release up today - so far, very good! Any thoughts on Adam Rogers' work? I only know him from his acoustic work w/Monday, where he's always sounded good. I'm really liking him here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 I think he sounds frickin' fantastic! Tonally, not that far from Wayne Krantz, his predecessor in this band. Here's a clip I've watched a bunch of times of that lineup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpO5ST84cwU (and my favorite quote from the comments section: note choice- awesome shirt choice- horrifying ) But Adam has some great stuff of his own, pretty abstract and "slippery" most of the time, and I like what he's doing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Also, this band reminds me a little of Joshua Redman's group with Brian Blade and Sam Yahel. But Potter's group hits quite a bit harder, I think, and is a bit more engaging for me. I say that with all due respect, as I am a fan of Yahel and especially Blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Also, this band reminds me a little of Joshua Redman's group with Brian Blade and Sam Yahel. But Potter's group hits quite a bit harder, I think, and is a bit more engaging for me. I say that with all due respect, as I am a fan of Yahel and especially Blade. I have heard the records by that band, and "hits quite a bit harder" is an exponential understatement, I think! And it might be just me, but some of the solo grooves on some of the solos here almost seem like a "real player" version of that mix of jazz improvisational sensibility & broken-beat rhythmic esthetic that I've been hearing\wanting to hear for awhile now. Some might hear "fusion" or "funk", and I know what they mean, but this just feels a little different, and I think there might be some of that house/broken beat thing in the mix somewhere affecting that. And btw - who the hell is this drummer, Nate Smith? This cat's tough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 He plays with Dave Holland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Yeah, but where's he from, how'd he get "here", etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Also, this band reminds me a little of Joshua Redman's group with Brian Blade and Sam Yahel. But Potter's group hits quite a bit harder, I think, and is a bit more engaging for me. I say that with all due respect, as I am a fan of Yahel and especially Blade. And it might be just me, but some of the solo grooves on some of the solos here almost seem like a "real player" version of that mix of jazz improvisational sensibility & broken-beat rhythmic esthetic that I've been hearing\wanting to hear for awhile now. Some might hear "fusion" or "funk", and I know what they mean, but this just feels a little different, and I think there might be some of that house/broken beat thing in the mix somewhere affecting that. I'll keep that in mind about the broken-beat esthetic next time I listen. I have heard the records by that band, and "hits quite a bit harder" is an exponential understatement, I think! I was being nice. Did'ya dig that clip? Krantz blows me away on that (I love the shift towards a major-ish sound that happens over the course of his solo), and that rhythm team - DAMN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 No time for the clip tonite, but will look tomorrow. promise. The broken-beat thing (I guess the hip term now is "bruk") comes in the push-pull around a central point/axis, and it happens behind the solos. In other words, the momentum is in the service of intensifying the experience of staying in one place rather than moving the experience along from Point A to Point B (or Z...). The elasticity pulls out, and instead of going somewhere else, snaps back, each time a little harder than the time before. That's not a particularly good way to describe it, but that's the best I can do right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Yeah, but where's he from, how'd he get "here", etc... He's been around NYC for about 10 years. Started with Betty Carter. Like several other young drummers, he does some production of his own and has many musical interests and connections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Taborn's left hand is outrageous in that clip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Yes indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 (edited) "Follow The Red Line" is a fantastic album, and I do like the sometimes technoish rhythms going on in spots, but I LOVE that four on the floor Smith starts hitting during Potters solo on "Pop Tune #1". Tho funnily, as I started listening to the album first thing I noticed was Nate Smith was playing a DeJohnette encore ride Edited December 7, 2007 by CJ Shearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 ...the sometimes technoish rhythms going on in spots.... So it's not just my imagination then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 (edited) nope its not. theres some drum n bass and electronica rhythms going on too, theres a lot of that going on in the second set jam discs of Christian McBride's "Live At Tonic" from last year. This is the sorta thing I'm hoping guys like Kenny Garrett and Pat Metheny get into, as their work has shown flashes of it. Edited December 10, 2007 by CJ Shearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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