king ubu Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Oh well, there you go... the thieves are once again offering best value for money... this is sad, but eventually it will lead more and more people to buy their stuff, I'm afraid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Oh well, there you go... the thieves are once again offering best value for money... this is sad, but eventually it will lead more and more people to buy their stuff, I'm afraid! If this is really piracy, and I've got to admit, it rather looks like it, then the major companies could put a stop to it by issuing the same material with tiny profit margins at prices that would drive the pirates out of business. Since they don't, they're like someone who allows squatters on their land for seven years and lose it. Tough. No sympathy. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 All the music on Charlie Rouse's Yeah! appeared on Unsung Hero in the CBS Jazz Masterpieces series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 EU Amazon prices include tax. For orders to destinations outside the EU tax is deducted. When I ordered from UK Amazon (earlier this week) 17.5 percent VAT was added during the check-out process. I was surprised; thought they had to include VAT from the start. That's strange, EU Amazon prices always included VAT before check-out - I just remembered that during the check-out process prices were adjusted to include the VAT percentage of the EU country the customer lives in. Maybe they've changed it and just add VAT at the end. No, you're right! I checked my order and the VAT was not added, only adjusted during check-out. I was confused because in the order summary each item was listed with final VAT included, but the items subtotal just below was without VAT. Except from books, Sweden has the highest VAT rate in the EU... There is a special regime for items that are being sent from Jersey (some of their DVDs are). UK buyers don't have to pay VAT, but non-UK EU buyers have to. It's a bit confusing. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005LDBG/ (check the "Why?" link) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 All the music on Charlie Rouse's Yeah! appeared on Unsung Hero in the CBS Jazz Masterpieces series Yeah! but the cover of that rerelease never appealed to me. At least the new reissue uses the original cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-blake Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Can anyone comment on the Pony Poindexter? I'm not familiar with him. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Can anyone comment on the Pony Poindexter? I'm not familiar with him. Thanks. The lineup (from three different sessions) includes, in addition to Poindexter: - Eric Dolphy, Sonny Red, Jimmy Heath, Clifford Jordan, Pepper Adams, Tommy Flanagan, Ron Carter, Elvin Jons on the first session, - Phil Woods, Sonny Red, Clifford Jordan, Sal Nistico, Pepper Adams, Tommy Flanagan, Ron Carter, Charles Persip, on the 2nd session, - Phil Woods, Gene Quill, Dexter Gordon, Billy Mitchell, Pepper Adams, Gildo Mahones, Bill Yancey, Charles Persip o the 3rd session. Do you really need to know more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) EU Amazon prices include tax. For orders to destinations outside the EU tax is deducted. When I ordered from UK Amazon (earlier this week) 17.5 percent VAT was added during the check-out process. I was surprised; thought they had to include VAT from the start. That's strange, EU Amazon prices always included VAT before check-out - I just remembered that during the check-out process prices were adjusted to include the VAT percentage of the EU country the customer lives in. Maybe they've changed it and just add VAT at the end. No, you're right! I checked my order and the VAT was not added, only adjusted during check-out. I was confused because in the order summary each item was listed with final VAT included, but the items subtotal just below was without VAT. Except from books, Sweden has the highest VAT rate in the EU... There is a special regime for items that are being sent from Jersey (some of their DVDs are). UK buyers don't have to pay VAT, but non-UK EU buyers have to. It's a bit confusing. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005LDBG/ (check the "Why?" link) That's because Jersey (and Guernsey and the Isle of Man) aren't part of the EU. They're not part of the UK either. They're what's known as Crown Dependencies - ruled by the Queen personally (though they all have democraticaly elected governments). They fall within the Sterling area, so their economic policies are very much driven by those of the UK. And they're not allowed to have armies. Income tax is very low; they're tax havens. A good record retailer on Jersey is 101CD. I used to get quite a bit of stuff from them - US and Japanese imports were cheaper than anywhere else on line in the UK, precisely because of the various tax advantages. They weren't too good on jazz, however; only a limited selection. MG PS Gibraltar has the same status. If there were a Gib retailer exporting Spanish albums free of VAT... Edited October 13, 2007 by The Magnificent Goldberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Oh well, there you go... the thieves are once again offering best value for money... this is sad, but eventually it will lead more and more people to buy their stuff, I'm afraid! If this is really piracy, and I've got to admit, it rather looks like it, then the major companies could put a stop to it by issuing the same material with tiny profit margins at prices that would drive the pirates out of business. Since they don't, they're like someone who allows squatters on their land for seven years and lose it. Tough. No sympathy. MG Well, I guess it depends on your definition of "piracy" - it would be way out to think anyone lets Lonehill/Gamit/etc. even close to their vaults, hence they have to take the music from other releases, be it CDs, LPs, whatever (Classics does it that way, too, as far as I understand, mostly relying on some people's astonishing 78 collections). But since copyrights end after 50 years in Europe, the release of this material isn't piracy by law... so they're ripping off others work (I guess they use Japanese CDs, too) but what they're doing is still legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Well, I guess it depends on your definition of "piracy" - it would be way out to think anyone lets Lonehill/Gamit/etc. even close to their vaults, hence they have to take the music from other releases, be it CDs, LPs, whatever (Classics does it that way, too, as far as I understand, mostly relying on some people's astonishing 78 collections). But since copyrights end after 50 years in Europe, the release of this material isn't piracy by law... so they're ripping off others work (I guess they use Japanese CDs, too) but what they're doing is still legal. The Dave Bailey Epic albums were recorded in the early 1960s, so they're not 50 years old yet. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The Dave Bailey Epic albums were recorded in the early 1960s, so they're not 50 years old yet. But that's when Andorran intellectual property law enters the picture... I found an English translation of a draft for an Andorran copyright law which says there's a 50-year protection for recordings (this document from this page). However, I don't know if it has been put into effect. If I knew Catalan the answer could probably be found here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 All the music on Charlie Rouse's Yeah! appeared on Unsung Hero in the CBS Jazz Masterpieces series Yeah! but the cover of that rerelease never appealed to me. At least the new reissue uses the original cover You're right the original cover is much more appealing, but I'm going to stick with Unsung Hero. Incidentally, very fine music whatever the cover art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The Dave Bailey Epic albums were recorded in the early 1960s, so they're not 50 years old yet. But that's when Andorran intellectual property law enters the picture... I found an English translation of a draft for an Andorran copyright law which says there's a 50-year protection for recordings (this document from this page). However, I don't know if it has been put into effect. If I knew Catalan the answer could probably be found here. Ah yes! Andorra, I think, ALSO isn't part of the EU, so it doesn't have to incorporate EU law. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The Dave Bailey Epic albums were recorded in the early 1960s, so they're not 50 years old yet. But that's when Andorran intellectual property law enters the picture... I found an English translation of a draft for an Andorran copyright law which says there's a 50-year protection for recordings (this document from this page). However, I don't know if it has been put into effect. If I knew Catalan the answer could probably be found here. Ah yes! Andorra, I think, ALSO isn't part of the EU, so it doesn't have to incorporate EU law. MG That may be, but I don't believe there is any part of EU law that says if a CD is legal in Andorra but not in the EU, then you can import and sell it in the EU. This is a major bone of contention in the US, in that recordings that are legal only in the EU are freely sold in many stores and now can be downloaded on emusic. I'm not claiming any moral high ground here, but it is interesting that the majors in the US haven't found a way to stop this, where the law (unfair as I think it is) is clearly on their side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The Dave Bailey Epic albums were recorded in the early 1960s, so they're not 50 years old yet. But that's when Andorran intellectual property law enters the picture... I found an English translation of a draft for an Andorran copyright law which says there's a 50-year protection for recordings (this document from this page). However, I don't know if it has been put into effect. If I knew Catalan the answer could probably be found here. Ah yes! Andorra, I think, ALSO isn't part of the EU, so it doesn't have to incorporate EU law. MG That may be, but I don't believe there is any part of EU law that says if a CD is legal in Andorra but not in the EU, then you can import and sell it in the EU. This is a major bone of contention in the US, in that recordings that are legal only in the EU are freely sold in many stores and now can be downloaded on emusic. I'm not claiming any moral high ground here, but it is interesting that the majors in the US haven't found a way to stop this, where the law (unfair as I think it is) is clearly on their side. That's almost certainly correct. However, I suspect people gave up trying to control imports many decades ago. I remember a time when performers over here couldn't play/sing songs from Broadway musicals which hadn't had their London premieres yet; I can recall Liberace being extremely pissed off by this restriction when he couldn't do a medley from "My fair lady" on a TV show. He played "London Bridge is falling down" very sarcastically, instead. No country's customs service is geared up to examine all imports for copyright legality. QRT, in my view. Can't even keep the heroin and crack out; what are they going to do about this really important stuff? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 No country's customs service is geared up to examine all imports for copyright legality. QRT, in my view. Can't even keep the heroin and crack out; what are they going to do about this really important stuff? MG True, but would it really take more than 1 letter from RIAA to emusic or Amazon to say that you shouldn't be bringing in the Gambit/Lonehill/Definitive/Blue Moon releases into the US? There are always ways around these things, but that would stop the majority of casual copyright infringers (those who aren't aware of the issues and/or going out of their way to import something and are really just ordering something that looks kinda interesting). But maybe I am wrong and importing a single copy for personal use puts this in a different category of enforcement. For instance, Amazon also allows people to buy Region 2 DVDs, and it even posts a warning that this will only work with a R2 DVD player. On the Amazon.uk side, they will allow you to buy 1 copy of a region 1 DVD. It sort of makes the whole region scheme even more farcial and stupid than it already is. I can't believe that they will even bother with the regional coding or DRM for much longer, given that it does make people less likely to buy when it is nearly as easy (or even easier) to steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejp626 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 In any case, I checked and DG is planning on bringing in a number of these releases, including the Hodges and the Rouse. I asked if the Rouse was the French release or a Japanese version (without bonus tracks), and they told me they were coming from Germany (!), so I assume they will be identical to the Epic France versions, but I will wait to see a copy in the store before I buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-blake Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Can anyone comment on the Pony Poindexter? I'm not familiar with him. Thanks. The lineup (from three different sessions) includes, in addition to Poindexter: - Eric Dolphy, Sonny Red, Jimmy Heath, Clifford Jordan, Pepper Adams, Tommy Flanagan, Ron Carter, Elvin Jons on the first session, - Phil Woods, Sonny Red, Clifford Jordan, Sal Nistico, Pepper Adams, Tommy Flanagan, Ron Carter, Charles Persip, on the 2nd session, - Phil Woods, Gene Quill, Dexter Gordon, Billy Mitchell, Pepper Adams, Gildo Mahones, Bill Yancey, Charles Persip o the 3rd session. Do you really need to know more! Thanks Brownie! You make a pretty convincing case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 In any case, I checked and DG is planning on bringing in a number of these releases, including the Hodges and the Rouse. I asked if the Rouse was the French release or a Japanese version (without bonus tracks), and they told me they were coming from Germany (!), so I assume they will be identical to the Epic France versions, but I will wait to see a copy in the store before I buy. I guess they would be the same - it wouldn't make sense to produce the same discs in several locations in Europe... I'll have to look for the Rouse at least - I always remembered seing the old US CD reissue being announced in other Columbia discs... time to check it out, eventually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I ordered the A Drum is a Woman and the Suites from amazon.fr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 But Lon the Suites is also on the old Columbia CD Ellington Suites so why duplicate? For the cover? If they would issue the Nutcracker Suite as well seperately I would be tempted to do so but now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Can anyone comment on the Pony Poindexter? I'm not familiar with him. Thanks. The lineup (from three different sessions) includes, in addition to Poindexter: - Eric Dolphy, Sonny Red, Jimmy Heath, Clifford Jordan, Pepper Adams, Tommy Flanagan, Ron Carter, Elvin Jons on the first session, - Phil Woods, Sonny Red, Clifford Jordan, Sal Nistico, Pepper Adams, Tommy Flanagan, Ron Carter, Charles Persip, on the 2nd session, - Phil Woods, Gene Quill, Dexter Gordon, Billy Mitchell, Pepper Adams, Gildo Mahones, Bill Yancey, Charles Persip o the 3rd session. Do you really need to know more! Thanks Brownie! You make a pretty convincing case! Go for it. It's one helluva sax fiesta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 The Lou Levy CD 'A Most Musical Fella' from the 'Jazz Originals' series has a bonus track 'Everything Happens To Me' from the sessions which appears here for the first time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 (edited) I ordered the A Drum is a Woman and the Suites from amazon.fr I have seen that Suites reissue, it is a straight replica of the French Columbia CD 'Jazz Originals' reissue of several years ago. It is a straight replica of that reissue! Have yet to see that 'Drum Is a Woman" CD but I'll bet, it's also a rerelease of the earlier 'Jazz Originals' CD. Edited October 17, 2007 by brownie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Have yet to see that 'Drum Is a Woman" CD but I'll bet, it's also a rerelease of the earlier 'Jazz Originals' CD. Anyway, I will get it, since I don't have the original CD issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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