Cliff Englewood Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 Thanks man, that's an excellent clip. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 7, 2007 Report Posted October 7, 2007 That was incredible. But why hide this in the musician's forum? I rarely come here, since I'm not a musician, and this is certainly one of the most important posts on this board. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted October 8, 2007 Report Posted October 8, 2007 Very interesting. MG Quote
Noj Posted October 8, 2007 Report Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks for posting this, very informative. Quote
MoGrubb Posted October 8, 2007 Report Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) I first heard this beat in 1964 or 5 in Boston. A guy named Hershel Dwellingham III from Bogoloosa, Louisiana, is credited with bringing it to Boston. I believe he called it the Fatback. Nobody in Boston had heard it until that time. Hershel used to hold court with drummers standing around him in awe , watching and learning the Fatback. He did it a hell of a lot cleaner and clearer than any samples on the recording/link, BTW, seriously. Edited October 8, 2007 by MoGrubb Quote
rostasi Posted October 8, 2007 Author Report Posted October 8, 2007 I first heard this beat in 1964 or 5 in Boston. A guy named Hershel Dwellingham III from Bogoloosa, Louisiana, is credited with bringing it to Boston. I believe he called it the Fatback. Nobody in Boston had heard it until that time. Hershel used to hold court with drummers standing around him in awe , watching and learning the Fatback. He did it a hell of a lot cleaner and clearer than any samples on the recording/link, BTW, seriously. The same guy who's on Weather Report's Sweetnighter? I can believe it. Quote
MoGrubb Posted October 8, 2007 Report Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) I first heard this beat in 1964 or 5 in Boston. A guy named Hershel Dwellingham III from Bogoloosa, Louisiana, is credited with bringing it to Boston. I believe he called it the Fatback. Nobody in Boston had heard it until that time. Hershel used to hold court with drummers standing around him in awe , watching and learning the Fatback. He did it a hell of a lot cleaner and clearer than any samples on the recording/link, BTW, seriously. The same guy who's on Weather Report's Sweetnighter? I can believe it. Yes, that's our little Herschel, they grow up so fast.... I reckon it could be his son. Herschel was definitely a III, according to his moniker in Boston. He wrote a tune called Alma for his lady, he probably married her, I don't know. He was quite charismatic, never forget him. Edited October 8, 2007 by MoGrubb Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted October 8, 2007 Report Posted October 8, 2007 I swear this has been posted here before. Or perhaps I saw it on another forum. Quote
Dave Garrett Posted October 8, 2007 Report Posted October 8, 2007 I swear this has been posted here before. Or perhaps I saw it on another forum. There was a thread about it on the Steve Hoffman forum several months ago. Quote
MoGrubb Posted October 8, 2007 Report Posted October 8, 2007 (edited) This is the first that I've mentioned it, on any forum/board. I'd be interested to read about what was said on the Steve Hoffman forum, if somebody would be so kind as to provide a link. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMHO, those are some pretty weak fatback examples on the YouTube link. I'm not referring to the particular skill levels of the players, rather the concept(s). Herschel did it as good as I've heard. A few years back the Temptations had a player that could do it good. Edited October 8, 2007 by MoGrubb Quote
JSngry Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 Straight to the source: About the drummer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_C._Coleman Quote
DukeCity Posted November 3, 2007 Report Posted November 3, 2007 Cool video. I knew nothing about the "Amen Break." When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be about Clyde Stubblefield's "Funky Drummer" beat on James Brown's In the Jungle Groove. From what I understand, that's also a very frequently sampled beat. Anybody know of some examples of that? BTW: I was going to make a snarky comment about how the whole thing sounds so "dated" but I didn't want that can of worms to get opened up again! Quote
FUNKMAN2 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Posted January 3, 2008 I first heard this beat in 1964 or 5 in Boston. A guy named Hershel Dwellingham III from Bogoloosa, Louisiana, is credited with bringing it to Boston. I believe he called it the Fatback. Nobody in Boston had heard it until that time. Hershel used to hold court with drummers standing around him in awe , watching and learning the Fatback. He did it a hell of a lot cleaner and clearer than any samples on the recording/link, BTW, seriously. HEY I'M HERSCHEL DWELLINGHAM SR. I WAS NEVER A III, I'M THE DRUMMER IN BOSTON 1963 TO 1973.I MOVE TO NEW YORK CITY IN 1973 AFTER THE WEATHER REPORT ALBUM SWEETNIGHTERS. I BECAME A SESSION PLAYER IN NEW YORK AND PLAYED ON 75 GOLD, AND 8 PLATUM HITS, ONE BEING " CATS IN THE CRADEL " BY HARRY CHAPLIN AND A LOT OF DANCE HIT OF THE 70'S. NOW I'M BACK IN BOGALUSA, LA. I HAVE A RECORD COMPANY NAME BOGUE MAGIC CITY RECORDS. E-MAIL BOGUE_2@JUNO.COM / http:www.myspace.com/bogue920 . THANK FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS YOU SAID ABOUT ME. HERSCHEY Quote
Kalo Posted January 3, 2008 Report Posted January 3, 2008 I missed this the first time around. Fascinating. Beat scholarship! Quote
MoGrubb Posted January 3, 2008 Report Posted January 3, 2008 I first heard this beat in 1964 or 5 in Boston. A guy named Hershel Dwellingham III from Bogoloosa, Louisiana, is credited with bringing it to Boston. I believe he called it the Fatback. Nobody in Boston had heard it until that time. Hershel used to hold court with drummers standing around him in awe , watching and learning the Fatback. He did it a hell of a lot cleaner and clearer than any samples on the recording/link, BTW, seriously. HEY I'M HERSCHEL DWELLINGHAM SR. I WAS NEVER A III, I'M THE DRUMMER IN BOSTON 1963 TO 1973.I MOVE TO NEW YORK CITY IN 1973 AFTER THE WEATHER REPORT ALBUM SWEETNIGHTERS. I BECAME A SESSION PLAYER IN NEW YORK AND PLAYED ON 75 GOLD, AND 8 PLATUM HITS, ONE BEING " CATS IN THE CRADEL " BY HARRY CHAPLIN AND A LOT OF DANCE HIT OF THE 70'S. NOW I'M BACK IN BOGALUSA, LA. I HAVE A RECORD COMPANY NAME BOGUE MAGIC CITY RECORDS. E-MAIL BOGUE_2@JUNO.COM / http:www.myspace.com/bogue920 . THANK FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS YOU SAID ABOUT ME. HERSCHEY Fucking A!! Hey Herschel! I'm Maurice Grubb, bari player with Danny Wright's group. Man, glad you're around. I could've sworn that I saw III associated with your name somewhere. My mistake. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted January 3, 2008 Report Posted January 3, 2008 Hi Hershey - great to have you with us. I'm moderately convinced (just through listening) that Al Jackson, the Stax drummer, got a lot of his stuff from down your way. Know anything about that? MG Quote
Jazzmoose Posted January 3, 2008 Report Posted January 3, 2008 Wow. Damn, this place is cool! Welcome aboard, Herschel! Quote
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