Michael Fitzgerald Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 Highly unlikely - I have references to Vanguard gigs as follows: Eddie Vinson - 1978.08.29 - 1979.09.03 Sonny Fortune - thru 1978.10.08 Sam Jones/Tom Harrell Big Band - 2 Mondays (1978.10.09, 1978.10.16) Randy Weston - 1978.10.10 - 1978.10.15 Bobby Hutcherson - 1978.10.17 - 1978.10.22 Bill Evans - 1978.10.24 - 1978.10.29 Heath Brothers - 1978.10.31 - 1978.11.05 Woody Shaw - 1978.11.07 - 1978.11.12 Slide Hampton - 1978.11.14 - 1978.11.19 If you have NYT microfilm, try the Friday paper instead of the Sunday. That's where the clubs advertise (at least for the past few decades). Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted May 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 I was looking not at microfilm, but at the new online index of the NYT on ProQuest Historical Newspapers. Thought that this covered all the advertisments too, but evidently not. There is an article about the Slide Hampton gig with a date of Nov. 17, but nothing else as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 Just checked NYT microfilm and Sunday 8/13/78 p. D28 has the following: George Russell Big Band - a superb group playing the distinctive compositions of Russell, a composer who is both exploratory and communicative. Village Vanguard, 178 Seventh Ave. South, Tues-next Sun. So - the band WAS at the Vanguard during the time of the 8/16 recording date. BTW, apparently there was a newspaper strike around this time so it is difficult to get information from about 8/10 on. I think the Sunday stuff had already been printed before the strike. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 4, 2003 Report Share Posted May 4, 2003 ...the 4 previously unreleased tracks (two on each CD) are: "Afternoon in Paris", "Tricotism", "I can't see for lookin'", and "Cheek to cheek". Pretty sure that "I Can't See For Lookin'" was out on COOL COOKIN', a early 70s Cadet 2-LP commapullation, which also included "How Could You Do a Thing Like That to Me" (aka Ellingon's "Sultry Serenade"), a Vanguard track that to the best of my knowledge ahs never been released ANYWHERE else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted June 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 test - some corrupted posts in here and i want to see if replying will restore them... Just checked NYT microfilm and Sunday 8/13/78 p. D28 has the following: George Russell Big Band - a superb group playing the distinctive compositions of Russell, a composer who is both exploratory and communicative. Village Vanguard, 178 Seventh Ave. South, Tues-next Sun. So - the band WAS at the Vanguard during the time of the 8/16 recording date. BTW, apparently there was a newspaper strike around this time so it is difficult to get information from about 8/10 on. I think the Sunday stuff had already been printed before the strike. Mike arghhh...looks like some of these posts are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Let's not forget that tantalizing mention in Max Gordon's autobiography that he used to tape performances at the Vanguard. I often wonder if those tapes still exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Here are a few that I know of that I don't see listed on the Vanguard site: Noah Howard - album on Intercord Noah Howard - Live at the Village Vanguard - Freedom/Intercord 28.488-5U Noah Howard (as, tamb, bells) Frank Lowe (ts, bells) Bob Bruno (p) Earl Freeman (el-b) Rashied Ali (d) Juma Sutan (cga, tim) Back A'Town Blues (12:42) Conversation (NH solo) (8:33) Dedication (to Albert Ayler) (14:34) NYC, 22/8/72 Great LP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardbopjazz Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Wayne Shorter live at the Village Vanguard here is what I have.It was recorded by someone in the audience. August 1, 1965 Wayne Shorter: ts Herbie Hancock: p Gary Peacock (subbing for Ron Carter): b Tony Williams: d The sound is somewhat poor. 1. The Eye of the Hurricane 10:33, 2. Just in Time 10:09, 3. Oriental Folk Song 12:07, 4. Virgo 7:09, 5. Fran-Dance 6:07 Total time 46:05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Here are a few that I know of that I don't see listed on the Vanguard site: Noah Howard - album on Intercord Noah Howard - Live at the Village Vanguard - Freedom/Intercord 28.488-5U Noah Howard (as, tamb, bells) Frank Lowe (ts, bells) Bob Bruno (p) Earl Freeman (el-b) Rashied Ali (d) Juma Sutan (cga, tim) Back A'Town Blues (12:42) Conversation (NH solo) (8:33) Dedication (to Albert Ayler) (14:34) NYC, 22/8/72 Great LP! Noah actually mailed me a homemade CD copy of this for the show that was the impetus for this thread. Sadly, it reached me too late to air it at the time. I don't have the disc anymore (gave it to the station) but remember enjoying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) Bumping this thread to note some other unofficial issues that I turned up on one of those sites we shall not name: -There's a Rahsaan Roland Kirk gig on 4/4/1974 that King Ubu mentioned on his blog. GREAT show. -Elvin Jones's Jazz Machine, April 9 & 10, 1982. Chick Corea is supposedly in the band although I can't hear him at all on the tape that's supposedly from 4/9. The only piano is on the 4/10 recording...and it doesn't really sound like Chick to me. The feel just isn't Chick's, it sounds like a more typical boppish cat like George Cables, and it sounds like the piano player is grunting along with himself during the piano solos, in a very raspy voice. Never heard Chick do that before. Could it be Kenny Kirkland? He was recording with Elvin around this time, but it doesn't really sound like him to me either. I would put my money on Cables before either of the other two. To complicate matters, the bass player on this session is supposed to be Stanley Clarke. Clarke and Corea were recorded together live in California a week before this gig. They were also videotaped playing in Southern California on the 7th. If anything, rather than making me think that Corea was playing with Elvin in NYC on the 10th, this makes me suspect that Clarke isn't, either. While I can't say for sure whether these tapes were made on these dates, I was able to confirm using the New Yorker magazine's digital archive that both groups were booked at the Vanguard during the dates they claim to be. Also, I reconfirmed the George Russell date mentioned upthread in case there was any doubt from the NYT. Edited October 28, 2009 by Big Wheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Bumping this thread to note some other unofficial issues that I turned up on one of those sites we shall not name: Elvin Jones's Jazz Machine, April 9 & 10, 1982. Chick Corea is supposedly in the band although I can't hear him at all on the tape that's supposedly from 4/9. The only piano is on the 4/10 recording...and it doesn't really sound like Chick to me. The feel just isn't Chick's, it sounds like a more typical boppish cat like George Cables, and it sounds like the piano player is grunting along with himself during the piano solos, in a very raspy voice. Never heard Chick do that before. Could it be Kenny Kirkland? He was recording with Elvin around this time, but it doesn't really sound like him to me either. I would put my money on Cables before either of the other two. The grunting is probably Elvin. I have a great live recording ( that I made at the time myself) from 1980 of Elvin at the VV with Woody Shaw (for one tune), Andrew White, Ari Brown and Andy McCloud. Insanely fierce! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Bumping this thread to note some other unofficial issues that I turned up on one of those sites we shall not name: Elvin Jones's Jazz Machine, April 9 & 10, 1982. Chick Corea is supposedly in the band although I can't hear him at all on the tape that's supposedly from 4/9. The only piano is on the 4/10 recording...and it doesn't really sound like Chick to me. The feel just isn't Chick's, it sounds like a more typical boppish cat like George Cables, and it sounds like the piano player is grunting along with himself during the piano solos, in a very raspy voice. Never heard Chick do that before. Could it be Kenny Kirkland? He was recording with Elvin around this time, but it doesn't really sound like him to me either. I would put my money on Cables before either of the other two. The grunting is probably Elvin. I have a great live recording ( that I made at the time myself) from 1980 of Elvin at the VV with Woody Shaw (for one tune), Andrew White, Ari Brown and Andy McCloud. Insanely fierce! Has that recording made the rounds? I think I may have it! I'm never sure how much discussion of such live shows is welcome here and hence haven't explored my files to post more here, although I'm sure it would be welcome by those involved in the discussions... it's a bit of a touchy subject and I don't want to step onto someone's toes here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Has that recording made the rounds? I think I may have it! I'm never sure how much discussion of such live shows is welcome here and hence haven't explored my files to post more here, although I'm sure it would be welcome by those involved in the discussions... it's a bit of a touchy subject and I don't want to step onto someone's toes here. Music's music. As long as we aren't trading or posting links, I don't see why such discussion would be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Has that recording made the rounds? I think I may have it! I'm never sure how much discussion of such live shows is welcome here and hence haven't explored my files to post more here, although I'm sure it would be welcome by those involved in the discussions... it's a bit of a touchy subject and I don't want to step onto someone's toes here. Music's music. As long as we aren't trading or posting links, I don't see why such discussion would be a problem. Yes and Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted November 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 One more...Roy Haynes with Pat Metheny, Donald Harrison, and Peter Washington, 11/7/1996. The New Yorker confirms that Haynes was booked at the Vanguard starting on the 5th. Harrison sounds excellent as usual on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 ok, then - from my live shows list: Blade, Brian - Fellowship 2000-06-21 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Myron Walden (as), Melvin Butler (ts,ss), Kurt Rosenwinkel (g), Jon Cowherd (p), Chris Thomas (b), Brian Blade (d) Blythe, Arthur 1984-04-06 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Arthur Blythe (as), John Hicks (p), Reggie Workman (b), Bobby Battle (d) Corea, Chick / Vitous, Miroslav / Haynes, Roy - Trio Music 1982-12-11 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Chick Corea (p,elp), Miroslav Vitous (b), Roy Haynes (d) Coryell, Larry 1984-04-26 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Larry Coryell (g), Albert Dailey (p), George Mraz (b), Billy Hart (d) Gordon, Dexter 1979-12-31 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Dexter Gordon (ts,ss), Kirk Lightsey (p), Rufus Reid (b), Eddie Gladden (d) Gordon, Dexter 1983-02-26 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Dexter Gordon (ts), Krik Lightsey (p), David Eubanks (b), Eddie Gladden (d) Gordon, Dexter 1983-02-27 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Dexter Gordon (ts), Kirk Lightsey (p), David Eubanks (b), Eddie Gladden (d) Griffin, Johnny 1978 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Johnny Griffin (ts), Ronnie Mathews (p), Ray Drummond (b), Kenny Washington (d) Griffin, Johnny 2000-05 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Johnny Griffin (ts), Michael Weiss (p), poss. John Webber (b), poss. Kenny Washington (d) Harris, Barry 2008-07-11 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Barry Harris (p), Chuck Israels (b), Leroy Williams (d) Howard, Noah 1972-08 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Noah Howard (as), Frank Lowe (ts), Richard Dunbar (frh), Robert Bruno (p), Earl Freeman (b), Art Lewis (d,perc), Mustapha Rahim (perc) Jones, Elvin 1980-11-18 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Woody Shaw (t), Andrew White (ts), Ari Brown (ts), unknown (g), Andy McCloud (b), Elvin Jones (d) Jones, Elvin - Jazz Machine 1982-04-10 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Pat LaBarbera (ts,ss), Chick Corea (p), Jean-Paul Bourelly (g), Stanley Clarke (b), Elvin Jones (d) Jones, Elvin - Jazz Machine 1982-04-09 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Pat LaBarbera (ts,ss), Jean-Paul Bourelly (g), Stanley Clarke (b), Elvin Jones (d) Kirk, Roland Rahsaan - Vibration Society 1973-05-03 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Rahsaan Roland Kirk (fl,nose fl,ts,cl,mazn,stritch,misc instr), Hilton Ruiz (p), Bob Cunningham (b), prob. Robert Shy (d), prob. Joe Habao Texidor (perc), unknown (t) Kirk, Roland Rahsaan - Vibration Society 1973-12-31 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Rahsaan Roland Kirk (reeds), Hilton Ruiz (p), Henry "Pete" Pearson (b), John Goldsmith (d), Kenny Rogers (bari) Kirk, Roland Rahsaan - Vibration Society 1974-04-04 (came as 1974-04-14) New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Rahsaan Roland Kirk (reeds), Hilton Ruiz (p), Henry "Pete" Pearson (b), John Goldsmith (d), Kenny Rogers (bari) Kirk, Roland Rahsaan - Vibration Society 1975-01-03 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Rahsaan Roland Kirk (reeds), Hilton Ruiz (p), Henry "Pete" Pearson (b), John Goldsmith (d), Joe Texidor (perc), unknown (t) Konitz, Lee 2009-04-03 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Lee Konitz (as), Dan Tepfer (p), Jeremy Stratton (b), George Schuller (d) Marsh, Warne 1983-07-26 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Warne Marsh (ts), Hank Jones (p), George Mraz (b), Bobby Durham (d) Marsh, Warne 1983-10-26 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Warne Marsh (ts), Hank Jones (p), George Mraz (b), Tim Horner (d) Marsh, Warne / Mosca, Sal - Quartet 1980-06-10 - 1980-06-15 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Warne Marsh (ts), Sal Mosca (p), Earl Sauls (b), Skip Scott (d) Marsh, Warne / Mosca, Sal - Quartet 1980-06-12 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Warne Marsh (ts), Sal Mosca (p), Earl Sauls (b), Skip Scott (d) Mingus, Charles - Big Band 1972-04-17 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Lonnie Hillyer (t), Eddie Preston (t), Richard Williams (t), Eddie Bert (tb), Howard Johnson (tuba), Charles McPherson (as), Lee Konitz (as), Richie Perry (as), Johnny Griffin (ts), Shafi Hadi (ts), Paul Jeffrey (bari), John Foster (p), Sam Herman (g), Charles Mingus (b,arr,cond), Roy Brooks (d), on #7-8 add Honey Gordon (voc); prob. other unknown musicians present Monk, Thelonious 1972- New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Paul Jeffrey (ts), Thelonious Monk (p), (b), (d) (sorry, I don't have the info at hand, but this one's fairly common...) Mulligan, Gerry - Concert Jazz Band 1960-12-07 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Nick Travis, Clark Terry, Don Ferrara (t), Bob Brookmeyer (vtb), Willie Dennis (tb), Alan Raph (btb), Gene Quill (as), Bob Donovan (as), Jim Reider (ts), Gene Allen (bari,bcl,cl), Gerry Mulligan (bari,p), Bill Crow (b), Mel Lewis (d) Mulligan, Gerry - Concert Jazz Band 1960-12-08 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Nick Travis, Clark Terry, Don Ferrara (t), Bob Brookmeyer (vtb), Willie Dennis (tb), Alan Raph (btb), Gene Quill (as), Bob Donovan (as), Jim Reider (ts), Gene Allen (bari,bcl,cl), Gerry Mulligan (bari,p), Bill Crow (b), Mel Lewis (d) Mulligan, Gerry - Concert Jazz Band 1960-12-10 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Nick Travis, Clark Terry, Don Ferrara (t), Bob Brookmeyer (vtb), Willie Dennis (tb), Alan Raph (btb), Gene Quill (as), Bob Donovan (as), Jim Reider (ts), Gene Allen (bari,bcl,cl), Gerry Mulligan (bari,p), Bill Crow (b), Mel Lewis (d) Murray, David 1993-01-28 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard David Murray (ts), Don Pullen (org), Bill White (g), Andrew Cyrille (d) Pullen, Don / Adams, George - Quartet 1983-08-19 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard George Adams (ts,fl), Don Pullen (p), Cameron Brown (b), Dannie Richmond (d) Rollins, Sonny 1973-06-29 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Sonny Rollins (ts,ss), Walter Davis Jr. (p), Masuo (g), Bob Cranshaw (b), David Lee (d) Rollins, Sonny 1972-03-14 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Sonny Rollins (ts), Albert Dailey (p), Larry Ridley (b), David Lee (d) Shaw, Woody 1980-11 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Woody Shaw (t), Steve Turre (tb), Larry Willis (p), Stafford James (b), Victor Lewis (d) Shorter, Wayne 1965-08-01 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Wayne Shorter (ts), Herbie Hancock (p), Gary Peacock (b), Tony Williams (d) Taylor, Cecil / Oxley, Tony 2008-07-15 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Cecil Taylor (p), Tony Oxley (d) Taylor, Cecil / Oxley, Tony 2008-07-19 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Cecil Taylor (p), Tony Oxley (d) Waldron, Mal 1984-12-29 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Woody Shaw (t), Charlie Rouse (ts), Mal Waldron (p), Reggie Workman (b), Ed Blackwell (d) Waldron, Mal 1982-12-30 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Benny Bailey (t), Charlie Rouse (ts), Mal Waldron (p), Reggie Workman (b), Ed Blackwell (d) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epistrophy007 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Shirley Horn's debut lp; Live at the Village Vanguard, Can-Am, 1961. I really hope this one's gonna be reissued very soon. j. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I have bootleg cassette of Steve Grossman, Tom Harrell, Kenny Barron, Buster Williams and Billy Hart whose origin is a mystery to me, though I recall being told at some point that it was from the Vanguard. Can anyone confirm this or otherwise identify any more details? There are just two tunes: a blues and "Star Eyes." There is no indication of the date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 ok, then - from my live shows list: Jones, Elvin 1980-11-18 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Woody Shaw (t), Andrew White (ts), Ari Brown (ts), unknown (g), Andy McCloud (b), Elvin Jones (d) Marsh, Warne / Mosca, Sal - Quartet 1980-06-10 - 1980-06-15 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Warne Marsh (ts), Sal Mosca (p), Earl Sauls (b), Skip Scott (d) Shaw, Woody 1980-11 New York City (USA), Village Vanguard Woody Shaw (t), Steve Turre (tb), Larry Willis (p), Stafford James (b), Victor Lewis (d) The sets above originated from my private tape collection and recorded by myself. By the way, the guitarist on the Elvin Jones set is Marvin Horne. There are lots of others that I recorded but haven't had the chance to transferred them to cdr, but here's one that I have done so: Zoot Sims / Jimmy Rowles Qt. Village Vanguard / NYC Summer 1981 Zoot Sims - Tenor & Soprano Jimmy Rowles - Piano Steve Gilmore - Bass Akira Tana - Drums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Thanks for the additional info! Wow, Sims w/Rowles... how I'd love to have seen those two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Shafi Hadi with Mingus in 1972? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 There are lots of others that I recorded but haven't had the chance to transferred them to cdr, but here's one that I have done so: Zoot Sims / Jimmy Rowles Qt. Village Vanguard / NYC Summer 1981 Zoot Sims - Tenor & Soprano Jimmy Rowles - Piano Steve Gilmore - Bass Akira Tana - Drums Caught the Zoot/Rowles quartet at VV in 1982. Same quartet except for George Mraz on bass. They were so good I went back the following day to enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Wheel Posted August 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Late addendum: the Carmen Mcrae date that Mike posted, Woman Talk, appears by all indications to not be a Vanguard session - it's billed as being recorded at the Village Gate and the Half Note. I'm deleting it from my list unless someone has evidence to the contrary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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