Big Al Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) Post deleted. Thoughtless on my part. Sorry. Edited October 3, 2007 by Big Al Quote
Aggie87 Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 If ever I find myself in a precarious health situation, I hope my friends who wish me well, literally, will take action beyond reciting some religious text. Out of curiousity, if you had cancer or something, what action would you hope they would take? I also respect those who do believe in deities--if they really[/] believe. I'm guessing that's who was being asked to pray in this thread in the first place. Those who believe. Why make a strong statement that "realistically" it won't do any good, if you respect those who do believe? I'm with Al and Chris and others, just wish him well and leave it at that, if that's what you're willing to offer. Quote
Christiern Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 Aggie87:"Out of curiousity, if you had cancer or something, what action would you hope they would take?" Something tangible, like recommending a specialist, helping with the bills, suggesting a good book, visiting me. Nothing that requires imagination. BTW, a very good friend of 30 years passed away in July. He was only 51 and a religious person who attended a Baptist church in Harlem every Sunday, sang in the choir, helped with Bible class, etc. His mother is a Jehovah's Witness and he was always afraid that she would give him a burial according to that organization's customs. I do respect other people's faith and so had no problem contacting his church and arranging for a service there.It lasted 2 hours and went very well--even his Mother attended and stayed until it was over. I added my sincere thoughts to the many prayers that were sent his way that day--it was the first time in 50 years that I attended a church service for other than the music. I feel a lot of intolerance on this thread, and it saddens me to be regarded as having sparked it. I am sorry if I offended anyone, sparked venom, inspired cursing, etc. I guess I wasn't prepared for such sensitivity. Quote
Big Al Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 I wanted to comment on Chris' comment about the power of prayer. I see nothing wrong per se with requesting prayers or saying that you will pray for someone. However, it has struck me in recent years that this is a new cliche of our times. Whenever something difficult or tragic happens to someone you know, it is easier to say, "I am praying for you" than it is to come up with a sincere, thoughtful response. Often it is very difficult to know how to respond appropriately to someone else's difficulty or tragedy, and it seems quite possible that one might say exactly the wrong thing. So the easy shorthand comment of today is "I am praying for you." That covers the situation, and you can feel good that you did something. I heard this a lot when our son was diagnosed with autism, even from people who I know are vocal about their atheism. A friend of mine lost his long time significant other to cancer, and reported the same thing, that many people who are not at all religious responded to him with the comment that they "would pray" for him. It struck him as insincere, and somewhat hurtful, that those who never pray, and have even ridiculed organized religion in his presence, would say only that they were praying for him in his hour of deepest tragedy, with no other effort to communicate genuinely with him. I can't help but agree, even though my original post in this thread was a simple "Will do." In my defense, I just wanted to acknowledge Valerie's request and keep it as short and simple as possible. Quite honestly and FWIW, I think the most direct, heartfelt, and honest response was from Alexander: I don't pray, but I send him my best wishes for a speedy recovery! Quote
Big Al Posted October 3, 2007 Report Posted October 3, 2007 Aggie87:"Out of curiousity, if you had cancer or something, what action would you hope they would take?" Something tangible, like recommending a specialist, helping with the bills, suggesting a good book, visiting me. Nothing that requires imagination. I would like to think that your friends, believers and non-believers alike, would do just that. If they didn't, if all they did was say, "Well, Chris, I'll keep you in my prayers" and left it at that, then they're just being bullshitters. I'd also like to think that, should something happen to you that you were able to communicate to the Org folks requesting help/thoughts/wishes, we'd do it. I would (I'd also say you were in my prayers as well! ), and I'm pretty sure a lot of folks around here, believers and non-believers alike, would do the same thing. Quote
ValerieB Posted October 3, 2007 Author Report Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) Aggie87:"Out of curiousity, if you had cancer or something, what action would you hope they would take?" Something tangible, like recommending a specialist, helping with the bills, suggesting a good book, visiting me. Nothing that requires imagination. i have done all of the above, and then some, for far too many friends i have lost through illness over the years. i have a friend right now who has stage 4 cancer and i attempt, on a daily basis, to help her with countless "mundane" daily chores/necessities/treats, etc., etc. that doesn't mean that i don't pray/chant for her as well. Edited October 3, 2007 by ValerieB Quote
marcello Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 Prayers, good vibes, healthy thoughts and other intangibles for George Cables. Quote
JSngry Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 Fuck me, this place can be a real pisser at times. Too many uptight psuedo-intellects. All the more reason to get out of town & start dancing. And sincerest positive thoughts (sent in various forms, some of which might be considered "prayer") to George Cables. His Rhodes work on Rollins' "Poinciana" is for me the sweetest sounding example of that instrument on record, bar none (but you gotta hear the LP to hear it right). That was my first exposure to him, and it still tickles the ears in a most pleasurable manner. Quote
JSngry Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 jsangz, isn't that also one of your favorite drummer performances by mr. lee? my g_d...does sonny rollins "next album" contain both one of your favorite rhodes and one of your favorite drumming (cymbal?) performances? Correct on all counts. David Lee was chanelling GOD on that cut It's still magic for me, and I was really upset when the CD didn't sound right, but oh well. I've taken good care of my record. Quote
Peter Friedman Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 George Cables is one of my favorite living jazz pianists. He played beautifully with Dexter Gordon, Art Pepper and Frank Morgan. He also has recorded a fine series of nine CDs for the Steeplechase label. Cables also has some terrific trio CDs out on the Japanese D.I.W, Meldac and M & I labels. Perhaps his most recent CD is an outstanding trio session called A LETTER TO DEXTER on the Kind of Blue label. I wish him a speedy recovery. Quote
catesta Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 Fuck me, this place can be a real pisser at times. Too many uptight psuedo-intellects. All the more reason to get out of town & start dancing. And sincerest positive thoughts (sent in various forms, some of which might be considered "prayer") to George Cables. His Rhodes work on Rollins' "Poinciana" is for me the sweetest sounding example of that instrument on record, bar none (but you gotta hear the LP to hear it right). That was my first exposure to him, and it still tickles the ears in a most pleasurable manner. I am out of town, fool. Quote
catesta Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 So are you a-dancing, fool? No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. Quote
catesta Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 Aggie87:"Out of curiousity, if you had cancer or something, what action would you hope they would take?" Something tangible, like recommending a specialist, helping with the bills, suggesting a good book, visiting me. Nothing that requires imagination. BTW, a very good friend of 30 years passed away in July. He was only 51 and a religious person who attended a Baptist church in Harlem every Sunday, sang in the choir, helped with Bible class, etc. His mother is a Jehovah's Witness and he was always afraid that she would give him a burial according to that organization's customs. I do respect other people's faith and so had no problem contacting his church and arranging for a service there.It lasted 2 hours and went very well--even his Mother attended and stayed until it was over. I added my sincere thoughts to the many prayers that were sent his way that day--it was the first time in 50 years that I attended a church service for other than the music. I feel a lot of intolerance on this thread, and it saddens me to be regarded as having sparked it. I am sorry if I offended anyone, sparked venom, inspired cursing, etc. I guess I wasn't prepared for such sensitivity. If it makes you feel any better, I need no inspiration to curse. Quote
ValerieB Posted October 4, 2007 Author Report Posted October 4, 2007 it was reported on another bulletin board that george awoke today and apologized to his mother-in-law for ruining her vacation!! good news although, as far as i know, he's still on the critical list. but apparently his liver is functioning the way they want it to. Quote
Big Al Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 it was reported on another bulletin board that george awoke today and apologized to his mother-in-law for ruining her vacation!! good news although, as far as i know, he's still on the critical list. but apparently his liver is functioning the way they want it to. A good sense of humor can be the key to a speedy recovery! I'm spinning Doug Raney's BLUES ON A PAR right now. What a lovely sound Cables has. And I just realized he's on Frank Foster's MANHATTAN FEVER, so there's another reason to go spin that CD. And, of course, and has already been mentioned, I need to spin Bobby Hutcherson's Mosaic Select, since Cables is all over that. Gotta listen to this guy and find out what's happenin'! Get well soon, George! Quote
brownie Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 Good to hear that George Cables is keeping his cool! Wishing him a full recovery! Quote
Guest Bill Barton Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 it was reported on another bulletin board that george awoke today and apologized to his mother-in-law for ruining her vacation!! good news although, as far as i know, he's still on the critical list. but apparently his liver is functioning the way they want it to. Excellent news, Valerie! I'll be thinking of him and will spin some of his recordings... Quote
Elissa Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 What a lovely man he is - alll my heart's fondest positivity to him for a speedy, full recovery. (Is that a prayer?) Quote
gslade Posted October 4, 2007 Report Posted October 4, 2007 it was reported on another bulletin board that george awoke today and apologized to his mother-in-law for ruining her vacation!! good news although, as far as i know, he's still on the critical list. but apparently his liver is functioning the way they want it to. Thats very good news thanks Valerie Listening to George at the moment (Village Vanguard Sessions) Quote
Big Al Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Listening to George at the moment (Village Vanguard Sessions) With Art Pepper? Quote
Alexander Hawkins Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Fuck me, this place can be a real pisser at times. Too many uptight psuedo-intellects. All the more reason to get out of town & start dancing. And sincerest positive thoughts (sent in various forms, some of which might be considered "prayer") to George Cables. His Rhodes work on Rollins' "Poinciana" is for me the sweetest sounding example of that instrument on record, bar none (but you gotta hear the LP to hear it right). That was my first exposure to him, and it still tickles the ears in a most pleasurable manner. To derail the thread in another direction, is that a Rhodes? I haven't listened in a while, but my recollection is of a rather different sounding EP. Or, to put it another way (sincerely), if that is a Rhodes, I'm going to get tinkering to get mine sounding that way! Quote
ghost of miles Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Listening to George at the moment (Village Vanguard Sessions) With Art Pepper? Yep--also really dig their duo recordings. Do you have the Dexter Keystone sides--either as singles or the Mosaic Select? Lots of fine work from Mr. Cables on there as well. Quote
Big Al Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Listening to George at the moment (Village Vanguard Sessions) With Art Pepper? Yep--also really dig their duo recordings. Do you have the Dexter Keystone sides--either as singles or the Mosaic Select? No, but I'll bet if you do a Night Lights about it, I will! Quote
sidewinder Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Do you have the Dexter Keystone sides--either as singles or the Mosaic Select? Lots of fine work from Mr. Cables on there as well. That's well up there on the Mosaic 'must have' list for me. Will be spinning George's very fine 70s album 'Why Not' on the Japanese 'Why Not' label a bit later. Quote
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