Benny Carter - 3, 4, 5 Verve Small Group Sessions

[neveronfriday]

I'm in a bit of a hurry.

Search didn't yield anything ... but I suck at searching here ... :/

Does anyone have the recording dates for the Benny Carter "3, 4, 5: Verve Small Group Sessions" (Verve 849 395-2)?

Either I'm blind (possible) or they're not in the liner notes.

Thanks & Cheers!

[Dan Gould]

I'm in a bit of a hurry.

Search didn't yield anything ... but I suck at searching here ... :/

Does anyone have the recording dates for the Benny Carter "3, 4, 5: Verve Small Group Sessions" (Verve 849 395-2)?

Either I'm blind (possible) or they're not in the liner notes.

Thanks & Cheers!

Did you look at the back of the jewel box? For some reason I think they are there.

[J.A.W.]

The quartet session was recorded in Los Angeles on June 23, 1954 and first released as Benny Carter Plays Pretty (Norgran MGN-1015) and later reissued as Moonglow: Love Songs by Benny Carter (Verve MGV-2025), but I coudn't find dates for the other two sessions. According to the Penguin Guide (seventh edition, page 268) the trio sides with Teddy Wilson and Jo Jones and the final three tracks on the CD with Oscar Peterson were not released at the time.

Edited September 15, 2007 by J.A.W.

[J.A.W.]

I'm in a bit of a hurry.

Search didn't yield anything ... but I suck at searching here ... :/

Does anyone have the recording dates for the Benny Carter "3, 4, 5: Verve Small Group Sessions" (Verve 849 395-2)?

Either I'm blind (possible) or they're not in the liner notes.

Thanks & Cheers!

Did you look at the back of the jewel box? For some reason I think they are there.

No recording dates are mentioned on the back of the jewel case.

[neveronfriday]

Thanks, Hans!

Could it be that another session happened as early as 1947?

I faintly recall s.th. like that. But I'm pretty old, so ...

[neveronfriday]

Just because:

I'm ripping and tagging a bunch of small group sessions for my MP3 player, mostly going by the recommendations in this thread:

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...;hl=small+group (Thanks for all the recommendations, guys & gals ... they killed my wallet at the time).

I think I have 99% of those sessions and many of them I've already listened to a million times, but many others I'm thinking of "studying" these next few weeks.

That's what I'm up to, next to hoovering, dish-washing, dusting ... you know, the usual crap one gets stuck with at the weekends.

Edited September 15, 2007 by neveronfriday

[J.A.W.]

Thanks, Hans!

You're welcome.

Could it be that another session happened as early as 1947?

I faintly recall s.th. like that. But I'm pretty old, so ...

I don't think so. At least it wasn't a Norgran date, since that label wasn't founded until 1953. Maybe Norman Granz purchased the recordings, but didn't release them. Anyway, I couldn't find a 1947 Benny Carter date with those song titles.

[neveronfriday]

Thanks, Hans!

You're welcome.

Could it be that another session happened as early as 1947?

I faintly recall s.th. like that. But I'm pretty old, so ...

I don't think so. At least it wasn't a Norgran date, since that label wasn't founded until 1953. Maybe Norman Granz purchased the recordings, but didn't release them. Anyway, I couldn't find a 1947 Benny Carter date with those song titles.

Yeah, thought so. Still, for some reason 1947 keeps poppin' up whenever I try to dig around those squeaky mental drawers of mine. Probably just a misplaced memory.

Thanks again!

P.S.: Hey, we should really meet sometime, you know, get one of those Paris weekends (or whatever) together with John, Brownie and Mike. S.th. like that. I'd be game. Anytime these next 24 months ... or so.

P.S.S.: This whole project made me realize that I have quite a few but not enough Harry "Sweets" Edison dates. Time to go shopping again.

*groan*

[J.A.W.]

I did some more research and found that the Moonglow date was recorded in LA on June 23, 1954, not in March 1955. I found the info in Michel Ruppli's Verve discography.

Edited September 15, 2007 by J.A.W.

[J.A.W.]

Just found the date with the first eight songs on the CD in the Ruppli discography: they were recorded in NYC on September 20, 1954, and were scheduled for release on Norgran MGN-1025, which was not issued.

[J.A.W.]

...And I also found the last three tracks on the CD: they were recorded in LA on November 12, 1954 and remained unissued.

[robviti]

according to www.jazzdisco.org:

Benny Carter (as) Don Abney (p) George Duvivier (b) Louis Bellson (d)

Los Angeles, CA, June 23, 1954

1780-2 Moonglow

1781-2 My One And Only Love

1782-3 Love Is Here To Stay

1784-3 Tenderly

1785-2 Unforgettable

1786-5 Ruby

1787-3 Moon Song

Harry "Sweets" Edison (tp) Benny Carter (as) Ben Webster (ts) Oscar Peterson (p) Herb Ellis (g) Ray Brown (b) Alvin Stoller (d)

Los Angeles, CA, December 8, 1953

1364-3 Tenderly

Benny Carter (as) Teddy Wilson (p) Jo Jones (d)

NYC, September 20, 1954

1988-5 Little Girl Blue

1989-4 June In January

1990-2 Jeepers Creepers

1991-2 Rosetta

1992-1 Birth Of The Blues

1993-3 When Your Lover Has Gone

1994-1 The Moon Is Low

1995-3 This Love Of Mine

Benny Carter (as) Oscar Peterson (p) Herb Ellis (g) Ray Brown (b) Bobby White (d)

Los Angeles, CA, November 12, 1954

2042-4 Don't You Think Clef unissued

2043-4 Will You Still Be Mine? -

2045-1 We'll Be Together Again Clef MGC 742

p.s. i'm old and slow. that's all there is to it.

Edited September 15, 2007 by jazzshrink

[neveronfriday]

p.s. i'm old and slow. that's all there is to it.

Don't worry, most of us here are.

Thanks for the info!

[J.A.W.]

To recap:

Recorded in Los Angeles on June 23, 1954

Personnel:

Benny Carter (leader) - alto saxophone

Don Abney - piano

George Duvivier - bass

Louis Bellson - drums

Tracks:

Moonglow

My One and Only Love

Love Is Here to Stay

This Can't Be Love

Tenderly

Unforgettable

Ruby

Moon Song

Recorded in New York City on September 20, 1954

Personnel:

Benny Carter (leader) - alto saxophone

Teddy Wilson - piano

Jo Jones - drums

Tracks:

Little Girl Blue

June in January

Jeepers Creepers

Rosetta

The Birth of the Blues

When Your Lover Has Gone

The Moon Is Low

This Love of Mine

Recorded on November 12, 1954

Personnel:

Benny Carter (leader) - alto saxophone

Oscar Peterson - piano

Herb Ellis - guitar

Ray Brown - bass

Bobby White - drums

Tracks:

Don't You Think

Will You Still Be Mine

We'll Be Together Again

Five more tracks were recorded during the November 12, 1954 session:

A Foggy Day - released on Norgran MGN-1035 and reissued on Verve MGV-8126

You Took Advantage of Me - same

Poinciana - same

Prisoner of Love - same

Frenesi - released on Norgran MGN-1044 and reissued on Verve MGV-8135

Norgran MGN-1035 / Verve MGV-8126: Various Artists - Alto Saxes

Norgran MGN-1044 / Verve MGV-8135: Various Artists - New Jazz Sounds

Edited September 15, 2007 by J.A.W.

[J.A.W.]

Ah, our jazzshrink beat me to it!

[neveronfriday]

Thanks, both of you!

That'll do info-wise.

*hugsandkisses*

[king ubu]

I had most of the info in my files but didn't see this thread... still, I added the additional info from Hans' research and attach it below - it's for all three of Carter's Verve small group discs (excluding the strings dates). It's not a professional smartass file, tunes aren't in session order or anything, but I always found it helpful when making another attempt at going through these great sessions more or less chronologically.

benny_carter_verve.doc

[neveronfriday]

I had most of the info in my files but didn't see this thread... still, I added the additional info from Hans' research and attach it below - it's for all three of Carter's Verve small group discs (excluding the strings dates). It's not a professional smartass file, tunes aren't in session order or anything, but I always found it helpful when making another attempt at going through these great sessions more or less chronologically.

Great!

Thanks, Flurin.

[Dan Gould]

This set was probably the greatest bargain acquisition of timeless music I've ever stumbled upon. Someone had sold it to a used books/music store and the inconsequential mark on the disc relegated it to the "BLEM" (ished) section: $2.50

[BruceH]

Whatever I payed for it was worth every penny and then some. This has to be one of the most played compilation CD's in my collection.

[J.A.W.]

Whatever I payed for it was worth every penny and then some. This has to be one of the most played compilation CD's in my collection.

I paid very little for it too, but I don't like the compilation that much, some tracks sound rather uninspired to my ears.

Edited September 15, 2007 by J.A.W.

[king ubu]

I had most of the info in my files but didn't see this thread... still, I added the additional info from Hans' research and attach it below - it's for all three of Carter's Verve small group discs (excluding the strings dates). It's not a professional smartass file, tunes aren't in session order or anything, but I always found it helpful when making another attempt at going through these great sessions more or less chronologically.

Great!

Thanks, Flurin.

You're welcome! These small group sessions are terrific, in my opinion!

If they'd ever been out in a little box, people here and elsewhere would hold them in much higher esteem (and Carter the instrumentalist, too, I assume - sure, there's still "Further Definitions" and the OJC and Pablo albums, but...)

[J.A.W.]

Apparently I'm the only one who has mixed feelings about some of the music...

Edited September 15, 2007 by J.A.W.

[king ubu]

Apparently I'm the only one who has mixed feelings about some of the music...

Well, not quite, if you limit it to "some" (and indeed it0s the "3,4,5" disc that's concerned... both parts of the 3 - why would a date by that line-up *not* be released if everything was fine? - and the 4..., but the rests is great, in my opinion!).

Anyway, I look at it as a corpus of material, and as such, it's a great one, all considered!