chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 since i have every jazz cd i could ever possibly want now ive started to try and focus more of late on improving my collection of 60s teenage girl-group 45s and rare soul and doo-wop compilations and stuff, do you guys like that stuff too? its not jazz but it is tangentially-related kind of being of the same era as the jazz we like. there is a lot of good comps on ACE out of the Uk but they are all 16.99 and the stores NEVER have sound clips of ACE material for some reason! there is also this RHINO box, came out maybe a year or so back called ONE KISS CAN LEAD TO ANOTHER which is a 4 cd girl group comp- but its 65 bucks and thats not for 10 cds its 65 bucks for only FOUR cds and a bunch of packaging: it comes in a desinger "hat-box" type of packaging-- passed on TEEN QUEENS (crown) which was only 3 big ones at the store, later looked it ip and found it books for $250-- Damn anyhoo..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 All you need is one 45 - "Sally go round the roses" by the Jaynetts - Tuff 369, arranged by Artie Butler, produced by Abner & Spector. Very strange record. From 1963. Think I'll play this loud later. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Just played it. There's a bloody good organist on it, which I'd forgotten. If my memory serves, the lead singer of the Jaynetts was Darlene Love, of Bob B Soxx & the Blue Jeans. Actually, that's another. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Just played it. There's a bloody good organist on it, which I'd forgotten. If my memory serves, the lead singer of the Jaynetts was Darlene Love, of Bob B Soxx & the Blue Jeans. Actually, that's another. MG Memory isn't serving well, MG. Here are a couple of links to the whole story: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Front...1/jaynetts.html http://www.history-of-rock.com/jaynetts.htm Producer was Abner Spector, not Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 I have some doo-wop and a few girl group things in my collection, but I can't say I'm a collector of that music. Always liked a bit I saw in a documentary on the Brill Building songwriting scene. Someone - I think it may have been Gerry Goffin, but I'm not certain - comments on the girl group phenomenon of the very early 60's by saying that for a couple of years back then, god was a black girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Do you mean, a part Zappa's ones? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGrubb Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Doo-wop makes me want to barf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 The Phil Spector box set, "Back To Mono", has a lot of early 1960s girl group classic singles. It is very inexpensive right now. The 4 CD set with extensive booklet sells for about $20 at many online sources. It has a lot of songs featuring Darlene Love, the Ronettes, Ronnie Spector on her own, the Crystals, and other girl groups of note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 I have the Rhino Doo Wop Box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Doo-wop makes me want to barf. Oh, come on. There is some fine music you're missing out on. I have a modest collection, mainly compilations. I dig it and listen to the 50s and 60s channels on sirius radio often. Great music to grill or cook by... Oh oh oh oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong she's everything to me Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong I'll never set her free For she's mine, all mine Oh oh oh oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding Dong, She's fine to me, Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong You don't believe that she's mine, all mine I love her, love her, lover her so. That I'll never, never let her go. You may be certain she's mine, all mine, She's mine all of the time. Oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong she's everything to me Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong I'll never set her free For she's mine, all mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Just played it. There's a bloody good organist on it, which I'd forgotten. If my memory serves, the lead singer of the Jaynetts was Darlene Love, of Bob B Soxx & the Blue Jeans. Actually, that's another. MG Memory isn't serving well, MG. Here are a couple of links to the whole story: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Front...1/jaynetts.html http://www.history-of-rock.com/jaynetts.htm Producer was Abner Spector, not Phil. Thanks Jack - I knew they were someone else. When I played the Bob B Soxx & the Blue Jeans afterwards, I realised I was wrong about Darlene Love. Still a great single. And neither of those accounts say who the organist was. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Do whatcha' gotta do to get this one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 I used to collect doo-wop and girl group music in the early 80's. Since then I've re-bought some stuff on CD, but I'm not obsessed with getting all of it duplicated on CD because I don't listen to it as much as I used to. I got the Rhino "hat-box" collection that was mentioned. It's a great compilation that I like better than their doo-wop boxes, even with the inevitable overlap of songs I have two or three copies of. I'm also a fan of the Spector girl-group stuff. I actually got some used 45's (Darlene Love, the Ronnettes) ages ago, and some years later made some tapes of the 'Back To Mono' box (thank God for libraries.) When the price of that box went down so low I finally bought the damn thing last year. The whole girl group genre (or style) has always been particularly amenable to the "One-hit-wonder" syndrome. Some group would come out with a gem ("Mr. Lee" for instance) and then sink back into obscurity. The field is rife with these, if you'll pardon the expression, nuggets. Part of the charm. These days I would never want to listen to girl groups all the time, but I'm glad it's there, always kept in reserve as it were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 The Phil Spector box set, "Back To Mono", has a lot of early 1960s girl group classic singles. It is very inexpensive right now. The 4 CD set with extensive booklet sells for about $20 at many online sources. It has a lot of songs featuring Darlene Love, the Ronettes, Ronnie Spector on her own, the Crystals, and other girl groups of note. I was tempted when the vinyl edition was available... Overall I think I have too much music then time to listen to it, there is a lot stuff in my shelves I listened only once, or two. So I don't feel the urge to buy this kind of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 i have this really weird totally sweet 5-lp set on ROULETTE thats a r and r / doo wop compilation from MANY diff. labels-- Dootone, GEE, only a few roulette songs thrown it, Chess, Vee Jay, Twirl, Clock, all these weird ones..... there are 4 of these 5 lp sets, volumes A-D: i only have vol C which seemed to have the most obsucre stuff on it. also was able to order the girl group rhino set from the library!!! and only 2 people waitlisted it, i should have it in a few weeks!!! and yes i know sally go round the roses i have a Holly Golightly cd with that and i think a ? mark and the mysterians single somewhere (a modern ? remake of it) but i have not heard that original! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 ohohoho also got the FLASH records story lp today: LA R/b doo wop label FLASH....... there are like a BILLION of these comp albums from i belive its called Relic Records...all for 6.99, la label COMBO, chicagos Parrot, and like a million others....anyone ever see these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Sure I did see those RELIC comps. There must have been some 200 LP's of them or so. They were all over the place in the 80s and early to mid-90s at all the specialist record dealers' stalls at REAL rock'n'roll concerts everywhere. The vinyl is OOP but should be available secondhand here and there, and I think similar compilations are now avilable on CD in frightening quantities anyway. Only bought a sampling of that Doo-Wop stuff myself over the years, though (mostly black groups). It's nice to listen to for a time but can get repetitive in the long run. The Italo doo-wop groups can get a bit of a drag too, and I admit I can pretty well do without the girl group and Phil Spector items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGrubb Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Doo-wop makes me want to barf. Oh, come on. There is some fine music you're missing out on. I have a modest collection, mainly compilations. I dig it and listen to the 50s and 60s channels on sirius radio often. Great music to grill or cook by... Oh oh oh oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong she's everything to me Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong I'll never set her free For she's mine, all mine Oh oh oh oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding Dong, She's fine to me, Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong You don't believe that she's mine, all mine I love her, love her, lover her so. That I'll never, never let her go. You may be certain she's mine, all mine, She's mine all of the time. Oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong she's everything to me Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong I'll never set her free For she's mine, all mine Is that a bonifide Doo-wopper? If so, oh gawd, I think I'm gonna hurl. I didn't care for that stuff the first time around either. I was more into Fats Domino, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard and Smelvis Presley; never cared for Chuck Berry either. Don't pay attention to any of it anymore; PBS's fundraisers broke me, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) Doo-wop makes me want to barf. Oh, come on. There is some fine music you're missing out on. I have a modest collection, mainly compilations. I dig it and listen to the 50s and 60s channels on sirius radio often. Great music to grill or cook by... Oh oh oh oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong she's everything to me Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong I'll never set her free For she's mine, all mine Oh oh oh oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding Dong, She's fine to me, Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong You don't believe that she's mine, all mine I love her, love her, lover her so. That I'll never, never let her go. You may be certain she's mine, all mine, She's mine all of the time. Oh I got a girl named Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong she's everything to me Rama Lama, Rama Lama Ding dong I'll never set her free For she's mine, all mine Is that a bonifide Doo-wopper? If so, oh gawd, I think I'm gonna hurl. I didn't care for that stuff the first time around either. I was more into Fats Domino, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard and Smelvis Presley; never cared for Chuck Berry either. Don't pay attention to any of it anymore; PBS's fundraisers broke me, for sure. Yes - it was by the Edsels. Bona fide, but a bit on the late side - I think it was '61 or '62. Didn't make the R&B charts. For Doo-wop that was kind of beautiful music, you have to go back to the late forties and early fifties: Orioles, Moonglows (as Jim said), Ravens, Penguins, Cardinals, Clovers, Billy Ward & the Dominoes (with Clyde McPhatter), the Drifters (with Clyde McPhatter), Five Keys, Four Blazes. Many others. After about 1954, like much else in the R&B world, Doo-wop was changed by the impact of Ray Charles. The better groups (Drifters, Falcons) moved into Soul. Others moved into pop. MG Forogt to mention the Flamingos. Edited August 15, 2007 by The Magnificent Goldberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGrubb Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Forogt to mention the Flamingos. By all means, we couldn't forget the Flamingos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) Sweet words of pismotality! Edited August 15, 2007 by JSngry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Big doo wop fan here. I have to say than most people have never really heard the best stuff - Five Keys, Orioles, Harptones, Moonglows, et al. The 1st PBS doo wop special was great, but they've driven it into the ground since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Yeah, the doo-wop I dig the most is either good singers fronting a group of good singers, or a bunch of kids who just don't know, couldn't know, anything other than what was right in front of 'em, but damn did they believe it with all their hearts and souls. Unfortunately, that got devolved into a bunch of saps who just wanted to be "stars" and found producers who had just the thing for them. It soon became "product", and that is a lot, a lot. of what has survived. Neither the pleasures of skill nor the charm of genuine naivite is to be had, just a I-vi-ii-V Nightmare On AM Street. And other than The Moonglows (that a capella album is sub-freakin'-LIME, even though it's kinda scamaliscious at the same time), I can't say that it's fun to "revisit" this stuff by "original" members, or ever "newer members old enough to have almost been the kid brother of an original member. Very few exceptions. But The Moonglows, man, hey, those were some baaaaaad muthafookahs. If all you know is one or two radio staples, you ain't getting the entire picture. And The Flamingos - one trick ponies, sort of, at least as far as what worked. But the groove on "I Only Have Eyes for You", hey, I'll take that and a lifetime inside the woman I love for the win, Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGrubb Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Aw geez, isn't this a family oriented board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 And The Flamingos - one trick ponies, sort of, at least as far as what worked. But the groove on "I Only Have Eyes for You", hey, I'll take that and a lifetime inside the woman I love for the win, Peter. Not really one trick ponies. They hit the big time with "Eyes" in 1959, but had been making great jump sides and bluesy ballads since the early 50's. Check out their Chance or Chess recordings some time - a far cry from the slick pop for which they're famous (which I also dig, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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