JohnS Posted September 10, 2003 Report Posted September 10, 2003 The Mulligan and Chambers for me. I'll be happy to get the "High Step" material on cd. I can make do with my Patton vinyl and cds. Quote
JohnS Posted September 10, 2003 Report Posted September 10, 2003 The Mulligan and Chambers for me. I'll be happy to get the "High Step" material on cd. I can make do with my Patton vinyl and cds. Quote
DrJ Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 (edited) Just wanted to chime in on this issue of marketing ploys/"getting" people to rebuy things...it's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned, for these reasons: 1. Not everyone wants the whole enchilada. Some people will be more than happy with the single disc of the Mulligan material issued by Verve. Others will want the box. A few of us fanatics bought the single disc and will trade it in for the box. So yeah, I bought the single Mulligan CD a while ago and now the Mosaic has been announced. Where's the harm? I've been enjoying the single disc for well over a year, listening on multiple occasionas. That's easily worth the 15 or so bucks I spent on it (you spend twice that much going to see a live performance that's over in 2 hours and never think twice about it!). Not to mention that I'll trade it in at a used place and get some of my money back. 2. Some people prefer original LP art and format to boxes. I've never really understood that, except in a very few cases of albums that are nigh on perfect, but go figure - everyone is different. So again, where's the harm in having some material available in both formats? 3. I don't know that we can assume any reissue program is cynically designed, I think as others point out above there is probably a lot of developments after reissues hit the market that dictate some of the "duplications." For example, Mosaic finally getting a licensing deal for the Mulligan material when they likely did not have it back when the single CD was issued. And again, even if they DID have the license back then, see numbers 1, 2, and 4. 4. If you don't want to rebuy material, well, don't rebuy the material. If you're up for it, then go for it. It's that simple. As far as I know, Universal et al have not begun holding hand guns to people's heads requiring they buy their umpteenth copy of LOVE SUPREME or any other title. The complaints about redundant reissues really reflect the obsessive collector inside, I am afraid. If you chafe at the idea of rebuys, well, then just say no! Many of us would prefer to have multiple chances and formats to choose from, an embarrassment of reissue riches so to speak, than to have various outfits acting in perfect lockstep with their reissue programs. Edited September 13, 2003 by DrJ Quote
Soul Stream Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 I'm not sure about everyone else, but I'm more than happy with the Mosaic Select stuff. Seems like some wonderful things coming down the pike that maybe wouldn't have made it anytime soon. Matter of fact, I pre-ordered the Patton Select and they sent me a Bennie Green by mistake. I kept it. What the hey, it's a great set that I had been on the fence about anyway. Sure, I've got "Soul Stirrin'" but the rest is well worth the 40 bucks. Quote
Bluerein Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 I do hope the Addey remastering of the Mulligan improves the lousy LPR of the Vanguard material. This batch of LPR's sounded very trebbly and thin. So that's another reason to get it (and for all the material which isn't on cd or not anymore on cd). Cheers, Reinier Quote
montg Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 I do hope the Addey remastering of the Mulligan improves the lousy LPR of the Vanguard material I didn't like the sound on this either. Also, and this has nothing to do with the remastering, I really miss hearing the piano. Seems like there's a big hole in the ensemble. I'm happy for those who have been waiting for this set for a long time, but for myself, I'll probably pass. Quote
Larry Kart Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 I'm of two minds about the Mulligan Concert Jazz Band -- liking it to some extent but feeling that the time feel (overall as well as that of the rhythm section) was a little too buckety-buckety, and that too much of the writing had tense, pinched-shoe tightness to it. But for those who really like the MCJB, there are two topnotch concert recordings from their 1960 European tour that are a good bit more intense than anything that I know of that will be on the Mosaic set -- a 2-CD set on RTE (which used to, and may still, be available at Berkshire Record Outlet for a song) and a single CD on TCB. Much material crops up on both discs, but Zoot is in uncommonly serious form (for that time, IMO) on the TCB on "Apple Core" (the notes refer to him "going positively berserk," which is not far from the truth), and the band as a whole sounds excellent on both the Paris (RTE) and Zurich (TCB) concerts. The RTE, if I recall, is especially well-recorded, particularly the rhythm section, which helps a lot. Quote
Larry Kart Posted September 13, 2003 Report Posted September 13, 2003 I'm of two minds about the Mulligan Concert Jazz Band -- liking it to some extent but feeling that the time feel (overall as well as that of the rhythm section) was a little too buckety-buckety, and that too much of the writing had tense, pinched-shoe tightness to it. But for those who really like the MCJB, there are two topnotch concert recordings from their 1960 European tour that are a good bit more intense than anything that I know of that will be on the Mosaic set -- a 2-CD set on RTE (which used to, and may still, be available at Berkshire Record Outlet for a song) and a single CD on TCB. Much material crops up on both discs, but Zoot is in uncommonly serious form (for that time, IMO) on the TCB on "Apple Core" (the notes refer to him "going positively berserk," which is not far from the truth), and the band as a whole sounds excellent on both the Paris (RTE) and Zurich (TCB) concerts. The RTE, if I recall, is especially well-recorded, particularly the rhythm section, which helps a lot. Quote
ghost of miles Posted September 23, 2003 Report Posted September 23, 2003 The new catalog arrived today. I always scan Cuscuna's note to the customers first, to see if he drops any hints about forthcoming sets. In this one he says that if the new Mulligan set does well, they'll try to get access to all of Norman Granz's live tapes of the band. Hope so! Quote
pryan Posted September 23, 2003 Report Posted September 23, 2003 I'll be getting the Paul Chambers MS as a birthday gift from my folks. Does anyone know the exact date that the Selects are expected to ship? BTW, I wonder how many other about-to-be 21 year olds are anticipating this box set as much as I am.... B) Quote
Free For All Posted September 23, 2003 Author Report Posted September 23, 2003 I just noticed on the Mosaic site that they're now saying the Mulligan will be available in "early October". The Patton and Chambers are still scheduled for "late September". Quote
BFrank Posted September 23, 2003 Report Posted September 23, 2003 I just ordered the Patton last night, but there was no notice about when it was going to be shipped. Quote
Soulstation1 Posted September 23, 2003 Report Posted September 23, 2003 i MUST pre-order the patton set. i MUST pre-order the patton set. i MUST pre-order the patton set. i MUST pre-order the patton set. i MUST pre-order the patton set. i MUST pre-order the patton set. maybe if nobody buys the select set, they'll get the picture and release a full patton set! between the running low mosaic stuff and the upcoming conns, my credit card will take a beating. ss1 Quote
Brad Posted September 24, 2003 Report Posted September 24, 2003 I have heard that these won't ship for a couple of weeks. Quote
pryan Posted September 24, 2003 Report Posted September 24, 2003 By "these", are you referring to the Selects, the Mulligan set, or all of the above. I kind of think you mean the Selects, but maybe not. That would be more like a "mid-October" shipping date, as opposed to "late-September". Hopefully it's the latter! Quote
Man with the Golden Arm Posted September 24, 2003 Report Posted September 24, 2003 A little birdie sez that the Pattons should ship by weeks end. Quote
jmjk Posted September 24, 2003 Report Posted September 24, 2003 Hah! A little birdie!! The birdie at Mosaic told me she expects the stock of Pattons to arrive to them today. Hopefully the sets will be on the way by Friday! Quote
mgraham333 Posted September 25, 2003 Report Posted September 25, 2003 I ordered the Selects and the Mulligan at the same time so I guess I'll be waiting a bit longer for mine. Damn you Gerry! You better be worth the wait. Quote
ghost of miles Posted September 26, 2003 Report Posted September 26, 2003 Man, I ordered both Selects, the Mulligan, and the Gene Krupa--they're all shipping together, so I'll probably get 'em in October. Just in time for vacation! Quote
Soulstation1 Posted September 26, 2003 Report Posted September 26, 2003 the patton's should be shipped from mosaic at the end of next week. ss1 Quote
medjuck Posted September 26, 2003 Report Posted September 26, 2003 Arggghhh.... I thought the Mulligans were being shipped this week. Well at least I should get the Basie and Davis boxes from CDUniverse next week. This is the most record buying I've done for months. Anything else imortant coming out before Xmas? I almost hope not. Quote
medjuck Posted September 26, 2003 Report Posted September 26, 2003 Arggghhh.... I thought the Mulligans were being shipped this week. Well at least I should get the Basie and Davis boxes from CDUniverse next week. This is the most record buying I've done for months. Anything else important coming out before Xmas? I almost hope not. Quote
Soul Stream Posted September 26, 2003 Report Posted September 26, 2003 the patton's should be shipped from mosaic at the end of next week. ss1 Arggh. I guess when they say end of September, the MEAN beginning of October. Quote
BFrank Posted September 26, 2003 Report Posted September 26, 2003 Yeah. Looks like it's gonna be "Christmas in October" with Patton and Miles coming in. Have to set aside some serious listening time next weekend. Quote
ghost of miles Posted October 1, 2003 Report Posted October 1, 2003 Mosaic on the Mulligan: The set will be shipping from our warehouse this week (October 1st). Quote
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