medjuck Posted July 15, 2007 Report Posted July 15, 2007 I've just purchased "Ornette Coleman Quintet-Complete Live at the Hillcrest Club" and I'm really liking it. Sound is ok (piano off mike a lot) and packaging nice. However what they call "Ramblin'" is not, though Rambin does appear titled "When Will the Blues Leave". So can anyone who's heard this tell me what is the song they call Ramblin? "When will the Blues Leave?" maybe? Also is there a good bio of Ornette? I've always thought that he played at the Hillcrest before recording for Contemporary but what I've found on-line makes me think he had already recorded before meeeting Paul Bley and the gang. Am I wrong? Certainly his first Contemporary recordings were made a few months before this recording from the Hillcrest. Quote
erhodes Posted July 15, 2007 Report Posted July 15, 2007 I've just purchased "Ornette Coleman Quintet-Complete Live at the Hillcrest Club" and I'm really liking it. Sound is ok (piano off mike a lot) and packaging nice. However what they call "Ramblin'" is not, though Rambin does appear titled "When Will the Blues Leave". So can anyone who's heard this tell me what is the song they call Ramblin? "When will the Blues Leave?" maybe? Also is there a good bio of Ornette? I've always thought that he played at the Hillcrest before recording for Contemporary but what I've found on-line makes me think he had already recorded before meeeting Paul Bley and the gang. Am I wrong? Certainly his first Contemporary recordings were made a few months before this recording from the Hillcrest. Both "Ramblin'" and "When Will the Blues Leave?" are on the original lp, so they may have been cross labeled on the cd. John Litweiler's "Ornette Coleman: A Harmelodic Life" is perhaps the definitive Coleman bio, though it has been justly criticized for giving Coleman credit for the invention of water. The first Contemporary recording, "Something Else", was recorded quite a few months before the Hillcrest date, well before Ornette was introduced to Bley. I believe it was Billy Higgins that first brought Ornette and Don Cherry to sit in at the Hilcrest, though I believe this story has been told with several different twists on those details. AFAIK, this was his first interaction with Bley. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 17, 2007 Report Posted July 17, 2007 I've just purchased "Ornette Coleman Quintet-Complete Live at the Hillcrest Club" and I'm really liking it. Sound is ok (piano off mike a lot) and packaging nice. However what they call "Ramblin'" is not, though Rambin does appear titled "When Will the Blues Leave". So can anyone who's heard this tell me what is the song they call Ramblin? "When will the Blues Leave?" maybe? Both "Ramblin'" and "When Will the Blues Leave?" are on the original lp, so they may have been cross labeled on the cd. I think the IAI LP is mis-labeled also; will have to check. I seem to remember some weird issue with it... Quote
David Ayers Posted July 17, 2007 Report Posted July 17, 2007 Has anyone who owns the LPs bought the CD? Should I? Quote
jlhoots Posted July 17, 2007 Report Posted July 17, 2007 Has anyone who owns the LPs bought the CD? Should I? I don't own the LPs, so I bought the CD. I guess that's not what you asked though. Quote
David Ayers Posted July 17, 2007 Report Posted July 17, 2007 Has anyone who owns the LPs bought the CD? Should I? I don't own the LPs, so I bought the CD. I guess that's not what you asked though. no.. but thanks anyway ... Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Has anyone who owns the LPs bought the CD? Should I? i have the lp's, but not the cd's. Quote
WD45 Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 I have one of the LPs, but not the CD. But I plan on buying it. Quote
paul secor Posted August 1, 2007 Report Posted August 1, 2007 Have the LPs. Gambit can keep their CD. Quote
jazzbo Posted August 2, 2007 Report Posted August 2, 2007 Has anyone who owns the LPs bought the CD? Should I? In my opinion, don't buy the cd, it's no improvement. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted August 2, 2007 Report Posted August 2, 2007 If you don't have it at all, buy the CD. If you have the LPs, don't buy the CD. It's that simple! Quote
Kalo Posted August 2, 2007 Report Posted August 2, 2007 If you don't have it at all, buy the CD. If you have the LPs, don't buy the CD. It's that simple! Like WD45, I have only one LP. What are we supposed to do? Quote
brownie Posted August 2, 2007 Report Posted August 2, 2007 If you don't have it at all, buy the CD. If you have the LPs, don't buy the CD. It's that simple! I have both LPs. Purchased the CD. More money wasted Maybe I'll learn some day! Quote
clifford_thornton Posted August 3, 2007 Report Posted August 3, 2007 If you don't have it at all, buy the CD. If you have the LPs, don't buy the CD. It's that simple! Like WD45, I have only one LP. What are we supposed to do? Sell the LP and buy the CD. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 3, 2007 Report Posted August 3, 2007 I will muddy the waters. Had both lps, bought a Musidisc cd of the America lp in 2001 and sold that lp for big bucks. Now I have the IAI lp, the Musidisc cd and a burn I made of the two. No need to pay some opportunists for the same material. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted August 3, 2007 Report Posted August 3, 2007 I've always wondered why the most prominent musician on the America jacket is Don Cherry! Muddying further: I could burn the missing set for whomever, free of charge! Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 3, 2007 Report Posted August 3, 2007 I've always wondered why the most prominent musician on the America jacket is Don Cherry! 'cause that pic is so much more attractive than the Bley. Quote
Fer Urbina Posted August 25, 2007 Report Posted August 25, 2007 (edited) In September's Jazzwise, in an interview by Duncan Heining, Paul Bley is told about this reissue, and he didn't even know it had come out and he isn't best pleased. "What do they include - I'm very curious. Of course they don't have the complete anything. I recorded every set for 30 days. Now how much tape is that?" Anyone for an extended, official reissue of this, with plenty of unreleased stuff (if tapes still exist)? F Edited August 25, 2007 by Fer Urbina Quote
clifford_thornton Posted August 26, 2007 Report Posted August 26, 2007 Many of Bley's tapes were torched in an apartment fire in the '70s. Who knows what's left... Quote
AllenLowe Posted August 26, 2007 Report Posted August 26, 2007 "I could burn the missing set for whomever, free of charge!" well, now you won't have to - looks like Bley did that already - Quote
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