alocispepraluger102 Posted May 31, 2007 Report Posted May 31, 2007 (edited) http://library.thinkquest.org/18602/histor...n/bgoodman.html Edited May 31, 2007 by alocispepraluger102 Quote
mmilovan Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 Benny Goodman, he is one of the "reasons" I started listening to jazz... Quote
David Ayers Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 mmilovan said: Benny Goodman, he is one of the "reasons" I started listening to jazz... I don't know Goodman's music at all well. On what I have heard I would rate him as the most perfect jazz instrumentalist of all time. Flame away. Quote
montg Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 Is there any BG worth listening to after the 1940s? His career after the 40s seems to be focused on nostalgia, whereas many other artists from the swing era (Duke, Mary Lou Williams, Hawk, Benny Carter, even Basie etc.) moved on. Quote
jazzbo Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 Personally, if you think Basie "moved on" then I'd say Benny did too, at least as "far." I like a lot of Benny's fifties and sixties smaller group work (more than orchestra) with great players such as Zoot Sims, Red Norvo et al. The Yale box sets are quite good listening, and there are others (mainy of which aren't on cd). Quote
montg Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 I guess I was thinking there's enough contrast between the old and new testament basie bands to qualify as 'moving on'. I realize Basie's more creative arrangers were somewhat constrained by him (Thad Jones comes to mind) but my impression is that Basie was more adaptible in his approach than BG. I don't think Thad Jones would have lasted quite as long in BG's big band as he did with Basie! I need to check out the Goodman small group stuff, as you suggest. Quote
JSngry Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 montg said: Is there any BG worth listening to after the 1940s? Quote
JSngry Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 clementine said: Quote IPB Image is this the IPB with either Mel Powell or Wardell Gray? if so EDC concurs! Say what? Quote
jazzbo Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 (edited) Jim's pic is of Benny In Moscow. Properties tell me so. I agree, after the forties, worth hearing. Edited June 1, 2007 by jazzbo Quote
JSngry Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 Oh. Sorry, no such problems here w/this Firefox, but sorry anyways. Here's a link: http://bp2.blogger.com/_ff5MJzk-sRY/Rg3BgP...odmanMoscow.jpg The legendary/infamous USSR tour captured for posterity, including one or two "band comments". Damn good latter-day Goodman, and a snapshot of NYC's early 60s studio mafia posing as mad gypsies and road dogs, which at one point, a lot of them no doubt had been. Quote
montg Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 JSngry said: Oh. Sorry, no such problems here w/this Firefox, but sorry anyways. Here's a link: http://bp2.blogger.com/_ff5MJzk-sRY/Rg3BgP...odmanMoscow.jpg The legendary/infamous USSR tour captured for posterity, including one or two "band comments". Damn good latter-day Goodman, and a snapshot of NYC's early 60s studio mafia posing as mad gypsies and road dogs, which at one point, a lot of them no doubt had been. That link isn't working for me (nor is the image) It's like some sort of Soviet censorship or something. I'm curious (and clueless) about which session y'all are referring to. Quote
JSngry Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 http://www.answers.com/topic/benny-goodman-in-moscow Quote
montg Posted June 1, 2007 Report Posted June 1, 2007 JSngry said: http://www.answers.com/topic/benny-goodman-in-moscow Thanks for the link. Phil Woods and Zoot Sims.....BG could sure attract talent to his bands. Quote
AllenLowe Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 Benny is one of those players I've tried to like but, believe it or not, I think his best best work was up to about 1931 - some early trio things with a guy whose name I can't remember, and some incredibly mature playing with an early Chicago bandleader - and it's late so forgive me for being completely unable to come up with citations - will have to check some discographies. But in those beginning years I feel like his technique is more at the service of the music, instead of the other way around. I am in a VERY small minority here, but later Benny always sounds to me that he's playing at improvising, instead of really being inside the music. And in those early things he's under the influence, somewhat, of Teschemacher, which gives his playing an edge it lost later on. just my opinion... Quote
brownie Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 montg said: That link isn't working for me (nor is the image) It's like some sort of Soviet censorship or something. I'm curious (and clueless) about which session y'all are referring to. When I get those IPB Image items, I do a right click and open it, then the image pops up. Hope it works for you too! Quote
Shawn Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 Another enthusiastic thumbs up for Benny in Moscow! I've always been quite partial to the Capitol Trio recordings. Quote
AllenLowe Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 glad everybody agrees with me - and if you have some of the Benny-on-tour CDs, listen for Jack Sheldon, who does some of his best playing - Quote
AllenLowe Posted June 2, 2007 Report Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) and for someone who does not like Benny very much, it may seem strange, but my wife is named Helen Ward- Edited June 2, 2007 by AllenLowe Quote
Shrdlu Posted June 3, 2007 Report Posted June 3, 2007 Benny has always been my favorite clarinet. I don't care about the fact that the innovation was over by the early 40s at the latest. He had a perfectly developed style, and he just sounds good! Why change? I didn't like Artie Shaw criticizing his style (Artie didn't think Benny was sufficiently adventurous harmonically). Benny was fabulous and I always enjoy hearing him. Plus, he sure knew how to set up a great big band! His original four sax section, led by Hymie Schertzer, is my all-time favorite (above Ellington and Basie). What a sound! Quote
jazzbo Posted June 3, 2007 Report Posted June 3, 2007 AllenLowe said: Benny is one of those players I've tried to like but, believe it or not, I think his best best work was up to about 1931 - some early trio things with a guy whose name I can't remember, and some incredibly mature playing with an early Chicago bandleader - and it's late so forgive me for being completely unable to come up with citations - will have to check some discographies. But in those beginning years I feel like his technique is more at the service of the music, instead of the other way around. I am in a VERY small minority here, but later Benny always sounds to me that he's playing at improvising, instead of really being inside the music. And in those early things he's under the influence, somewhat, of Teschemacher, which gives his playing an edge it lost later on. just my opinion... I have to agree he was spectacular with Ben Pollack. Quote
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