Late Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Anyone had time to digest this new reissue? I haven't even picked it up yet, but would be interested in hearing comments — music, sound, running time, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Let's hear more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 The original lps total about 66 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 i have 1 lp of material wher ethey no klacktockcovosustruse- i didnt know there was more stuff? is it the exact same perosnel. no dave pike? i have this lp and its neighbour lp in my wcj pile is a paul bley on GNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) I assume that this is one of the Spanish boots, and they are combining the two Ornette at the Hillcrest LPs on one disc. I've already done that myself on a CDR. That is far from "complete." Paul Bley assures us that there are a lot more recordings. Edited May 24, 2007 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 The Gambit release includes all the material that was issued on the two LPs and adds nothing. Total running time is 66m23s. Material was obviously picked from the vinyls (what a surprise?). Sound has been slightly improved on the CD release, particularly the sides from the Improvising Artists Inc. ('Coleman Classics 1') which have more presence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 In his book 'Stopping Time' Bley says he sold the tapes for reuse to fund his move to New York if I remember correctly. Be great if there was more music though. For the most part this is essential music and whilst the sound is none too great the music overcomes the deficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) I actually think the sound is very good, at least on the issues that I have - Edited May 24, 2007 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I think the sound's pretty good too. The horns are clear and upfront. It's Bley's piano that suffers--ironic given that it's his date. I only have one of the LPs, so I was happy to get the extra tunes on the CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD45 Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I think the sound's pretty good too. The horns are clear and upfront. It's Bley's piano that suffers--ironic given that it's his date. I only have one of the LPs, so I was happy to get the extra tunes on the CD. Same here -- have yet to see it in the racks, however... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 If there's nothing added to the two LPs, I don't need this. Glad of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted May 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 It'll be a while before I pick this one up, but I'll get there. How's the music compared to, say, Ornette's Contemporary albums? Does Bley's presence change things up that much? (And who's on bass and drums?) Something a little odd about the Gambit cover, too. The photograph appears to be from the 80's — which is of course when the Hillcrest gig was recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 (And who's on bass and drums?) Haden and Higgins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted May 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 An interesting side note, I thought: My professor in grad school was at this gig. He was 19. He doesn't remember Bley at all — maybe because Ornette's playing demanded so much attention. Strange that this recording is nearly 50 years old ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Something a little odd about the Gambit cover, too. The photograph appears to be from the 80's — which is of course when the Hillcrest gig was recorded. The Ornette Coleman photo on the Gambit CD cover is credited to Nancy Kaszerman. It probably dates from the past ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted May 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 The Ornette Coleman photo ... probably dates from the past ten years. That always bugs me for some reason. As if the "producers" had this conversation: "Say, here's a recording from the 50's." "Cool! There's probably a lot of people who don't have the vinyl. We stand to make some dough on this." "I know. Should we find a period photo of the Hillcrest Club to use for artwork?" "What? Why? Just get any old picture of Arnett Cobb that you can find." "Actually, it's Ornette Coleman, not Arnett Cobb. And, actually, it was Paul Bley's gig." "Who's Paul Bley? Hey, didn't Arnett Cobb just win a Nobel prize or something?" "Um, Arnett Cobb is deceased. Ornette Coleman recently won a Pulitzer." "Arnett Cobb wrote books, too? Look, just get any photo. It doesn't matter. As long as it's Arnett Cobb." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) just to mention, though it has probably been said already - I actually think this is one of the landmark recordings in jazz history - and I'm not kidding at all. Aside from its historical importance, for a conservative "free" player like myself, it points in a lot of musical directionss that have, to my way of thinking, not been fully explored, or that, at the very least, would bear greater exploration Edited May 24, 2007 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I have a CD of half of this and the most prominent photo is of Don Cherry playing two flutes, taken at least 10 years after the concert. Boots of Miles concerts from the 1960s are notorious for running photos of Miles from his 80s wig days. The Ornette Coleman photo ... probably dates from the past ten years. That always bugs me for some reason. As if the "producers" had this conversation: "Say, here's a recording from the 50's." "Cool! There's probably a lot of people who don't have the vinyl. We stand to make some dough on this." "I know. Should we find a period photo of the Hillcrest Club to use for artwork?" "What? Why? Just get any old picture of Arnett Cobb that you can find." "Actually, it's Ornette Coleman, not Arnett Cobb. And, actually, it was Paul Bley's gig." "Who's Paul Bley? Hey, didn't Arnett Cobb just win a Nobel prize or something?" "Um, Arnett Cobb is deceased. Ornette Coleman recently won a Pulitzer." "Arnett Cobb wrote books, too? Look, just get any photo. It doesn't matter. As long as it's Arnett Cobb." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 The original America LP has a large picture of Don Cherry both front and back, the front very similar to what appears on the Actuels... the spine reads "The Fabulous Paul Bley Trio." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 The original America LP has a large picture of Don Cherry both front and back, the front very similar to what appears on the Actuels... the spine reads "The Fabulous Paul Bley Trio." Those Don Cherry images were taken by the excellent photographer Philipe Gras who died earlier this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 I guess I didn't know Gras had passed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 That's because you did not read the last current page of the Photography Thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Gras has passed...alas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 we'll soon say mass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Whilst spinning Mama Cass?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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