Guest donald petersen Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 ok as i listen to it-if anyone likes santana they really should buy the luis gasca album. it is santana's best album, imo...if you get my meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Which Luis Gasca album???? There are four! The Little Giant (Atlantic) For Those Who Chant (Blue Thumb) Born To Love You (Fantasy) Collage (Fantasy) Not even on AMG there are all four, not to mention covers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 THE gasca album. sorry i mean the blue thumb one...the one with santana, shrieve, etc. i think it is really just called "luis gasca" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 The others are not that bad. The one in question did not have a title on the front cover, but was called For Those Who Chant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 (edited) BTW - does anyone here have the alternate takes from these sessions that were bootlegged some years ago? Please ... Edited July 12, 2007 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 wilin' mike i do have them but it would take me a long ass time to find the CDR. i will casually rifle around and if i see it i will let you know. how is the first gasca album? i assumed it would be short too tight tracks in the atlantic fashion but perhaps it is something different. the latter two are ok, yes. got the LPs. nothing fantastic. i guess it is exciting to find terry bozzio on one of the dates. i don't know why.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 (edited) Out of morbid curiosity, I downloaded some late 70s/early 80s Santana albums. Inner Secrets is pretty bad, though not unlistenable. Definitely worse than Amigos or Festival, which I'd characterize as "good" and "decent" respectively. "Open Invitation" is hilariously bad -- I think I've heard it on the radio before, but I would've never guessed it was Santana. I really recommend listening to this track! Marathon is just awful. Easily of the worst albums I've ever heard. Really bad 80s arena rock. I'll post comments on Zebop and Oneness once I unzip the files. Guy Edited July 16, 2007 by Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Out of morbid curiosity, I downloaded some late 70s/early 80s Santana albums. Inner Secrets is pretty bad, though not unlistenable. Definitely worse than Amigos or Festival, which I'd characterize as "good" and "decent" respectively. "Open Invitation" is hilariously bad -- I think I've heard it on the radio before, but I would've never guessed it was Santana. I really recommend listening to this track! Marathon is just awful. Easily of the worst albums I've ever heard. Really bad 80s arena rock. I'll post comments on Zebop and Oneness once I unzip the files. Guy'Amigos' has two great songs ("Dance Sister Dance" and "Europa"), and 'Festival' has the great "Let The Children Play" suite, but otherwise both albums are pretty forgettable. 'Innner Secrets' is actually a consistently better album than either, but has nothing approaching the highlights of those two (the cover of Traffic's "Dealer" is probably the best thing on it). I agree with the assessment of "Open Invitation", an utter embarrasment! 'Zebop' is akin to 'Marathon', maybe just a bit better. 'Oneness' is actually quite excellent, the most underrated album Santana ever did. It is a Carlos solo album rather than a Santnana group album, almost totally instrumental, quite spiritual in it's groove, the last consistently satisfying studio album he ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 'Amigos' has two great songs ("Dance Sister Dance" and "Europa"), Not sure if I'd call "Europa" great -- it sounds canned to me, a slick and soulless sequel to "Samba Pa Ti". and 'Festival' has the great "Let The Children Play" suite, but otherwise both albums are pretty forgettable. Perhaps forgettable but there are some nice things on there -- "Gitano", "Take Me With You", "Maria Caracoles". 'Innner Secrets' is actually a consistently better album than either, but has nothing approaching the highlights of those two (the cover of Traffic's "Dealer" is probably the best thing on it). More consistent is probably right, but honestly even the best music on it would be below average on those other two albums. All IMHO, of course! Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 'Amigos' has two great songs ("Dance Sister Dance" and "Europa"), Not sure if I'd call "Europa" great -- it sounds canned to me, a slick and soulless sequel to "Samba Pa Ti". Gato Barbieri gave the definitive reading of this one. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Believe it or not I've never heard Caravanserai, guess I need to change that, huh?! I only own the first 3 Santana albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 (edited) wilin' mike i do have them but it would take me a long ass time to find the CDR. i will casually rifle around and if i see it i will let you know. Thanks! Would be much appreciated! How is the first gasca album? i assumed it would be short too tight tracks in the atlantic fashion but perhaps it is something different. Longer tracks with plenty solos, somewhat in between the Atlantic soul/Cuban style of Mongo and Hubert Laws, and the Blue Thumb LP. Better than I thought. p.s. I have a copy of the Collectables double CD with Gasca's Little Giant and the Ira Sullivan album for sale. Edited July 17, 2007 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 'Amigos' has two great songs ("Dance Sister Dance" and "Europa"), Not sure if I'd call "Europa" great -- it sounds canned to me, a slick and soulless sequel to "Samba Pa Ti". Gato Barbieri gave the definitive reading of this one. Seriously. No argument from me. That whole 'Caliente' album is surprisingly good. Also has the definitive reading of "I Want You" in my book. Tuck Andress did a wonderful "Europa" on 'Love Warriors'. The first three Tuck & Patti albums are classics of their genre, quite untypical for Windham Hill (and the best things that label ever did) and his guitar playing is stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomsMobley Posted August 23, 2023 Report Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) On 6/19/2007 at 6:31 PM, mr jazz said: late to the party but always loved Caravanserai and I agree with all the comments about Shrieve-he played so well amidst all the percussion. Where I differ is regarding Welcome-a fine side 1 that drifts somewhat on side 2 before a beautiful Naima ends the record. I think Borboletta is full of great music-one with the sun,life is anew, give and take have some scorching solos and Broussard's solo on Aspirations is well played. Side 2 features the extended promise of a fisherman with more inspired playing. Airto's bookmarking percussion is a nice touch. An underrated record that screams for remastering. The remastered Welcome is worth picking up as the percussion and drums are much clearer to my ear. I don't think Santana ever reached the heights as he did on these three seminal recordings all valuable in their own right. lotus has its moments but drags in a few places, still worth owning. ** ** Edited August 23, 2023 by MomsMobley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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