chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 how did trane end up on the W. Coast then anyway, touring w/ a band, on way back from army? what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 There's little doubt that it's Trane. Peter Losin's listing reflects what has been in variou discographies since Porter referenced it in the chronology in his Trane bio. The only real question is the date. The chronology in the new disco will reflect that Trane toured California with Dizzy's small group in the Fall of 1950. Some of the material that Chris DeVito published on the Coltrane listserv several years back shows dates in San Francisco and Los Angeles from late September through the end of October. Speculation is that Trane did the Billy Valentine dates during that time. I believe Schaap's comments on this were made during the big WKCR Trane marathon a couple of years back. I was actually wondering myself whether it had anything to do with such a scenario, but didn't have the discographical chops to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 from Peter Losin's site: http://www.plosin.com/milesAhead/Tapes.aspx?s=19491107 November 7, 1949 (15 items; TT = 20:42) Unknown studio, Los Angeles Source/Quality: SB (B-) Billy Valentine (p, voc); John Coltrane (ts); Ray Brown (b); Gordon "Specs" Powell (d) 1 Studio chatter 0:10 2 Ain't Gonna Cry No More (B. Valentine) (take 2) 2:37 3 Studio chatter 0:07 4 Ain't Gonna Cry No More (B. Valentine) (take 3) 2:35 5 I Want You to Love Me (B. Valentine) (take 1 (fs)) 0:20 6 I Want You to Love Me (B. Valentine) (take 1) 3:06 7 Studio chatter 0:04 8 I Want You to Love Me (B. Valentine) (take 2 (fs)) 0:10 9 I Want You to Love Me (B. Valentine) (take 2) 2:59 10 Studio chatter 0:04 11 I Want You to Love Me (B. Valentine) (take 3) 3:01 12 Studio chatter 0:04 13 Beer Drinking Baby (B. Valentine) (take 1) 2:40 14 Studio chatter 0:05 15 Beer Drinking Baby (B. Valentine) (take 2) 2:40 i don't care too much for studio chatter usually, but in such a case it might actually help to nail down whether it really was Coltrane??? (depending on who chatters what) How did you find this on the Losin site? Does he have a Trane discography I can't find? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 couldn't someone of asked ray brown this ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 couldn't someone of asked ray brown this ever "have", young college graduate, "have". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I thought Aric had a Master's in American Studies... or is that a total joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I thought Aric had a Master's in American Studies... or is that a total joke? Depends on what you think is more of a joke - Aric or higher education in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Aric is funny (to me); higher education is more like a black comedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 political science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Thanks. I thought you were in Am. Studies. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 political science It's a 'science'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I thought Aric had a Master's in American Studies... or is that a total joke? Depends on what you think is more of a joke - Aric or higher education in America. Higher education in America is a joke? Then where is it not a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 How did you find this on the Losin site? Does he have a Trane discography I can't find? found it through google no coltrane discography but losin has a discography of his bootleg collection which contains quite some trane (it's called "Live Shows and CD-Rs" IIRC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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