Barry Bonds quest for HR record

[Dan Gould]

Bonds says he'll boycott Hall if record-setting ball has asterisk

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?i...e=ESPNHeadlines

Man, that's just a win-win proposition!!!

Indeed, its the gift that keeps on giving!

[Jazzmoose]

Sometimes life just works!

[catesta]

I heard the audio and he sounds like a little whiney boy. Somebody really should have corrected him when he kept saying "asterist".

Too bad Barry did but the ball himself.

[Van Basten II]

This thread will never die, isn't it ?

[Brownian Motion]

The New York Times

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November 15, 2007

Barry Bonds Indicted on Perjury and Obstruction Charges

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Baseball superstar Barry Bonds was charged Thursday with perjury and obstruction of justice for allegedly lying when he said he did not use performance-enhancing drugs.

The indictment, unsealed Thursday by federal prosecutors in San Francisco, is the culmination of a four-year federal probe into whether he lied under oath to a grand jury investigating steroid use by elite athletes.

The indictment comes three months after the 43-year-old Bonds, one of the biggest names in professional sports, passed Hank Aaron to become baseball's career home run leader, his sport's most hallowed record. Bonds, who parted ways with the San Francisco Giants at the end of last season and has yet to sign with another team, also holds the game's single-season home run record of 73.

While Bonds was chasing Aaron amid the adulation of San Franciscans and the scorn of baseball fans almost everywhere else, due to his notoriously prickly personality and nagging steroid allegations, a grand jury quietly worked behind closed doors to put the finishing touches on the long-rumored indictment.

"I'm surprised," said John Burris, one of Bonds' attorneys, "but there's been an effort to get Barry for a long time. "I'm curious what evidence they have now they didn't have before."

Burris did not know of the indictment before being alerted by The Associated Press. He said he would immediate call Bonds to notify him.

The indictment charges Bonds with lying when he said that he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by his personal trainer Greg Anderson. He also denied taking steroids at anytime in 2001 when he was pursuing the single season home-run record.

"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment reads.

He is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.

"Greg wouldn't do that," Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. "He knows I'm against that stuff."

Bonds is by far the highest-profile figure caught up in the wide-ranging government steroids investigation launched in 2002 with the raid of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative -- now infamously known as BALCO -- the Burlingame-based supplements lab at the center of a large steroids distribution ring.

Allegations of steroid use long have dogged Bonds, the son of an ex-Major Leaguer who broke into baseball with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1986 as a lithe, base-stealing outfielder. By the late 1990s he'd grown to more than 240 pounds, with his head, in particular, becoming noticeably bigger.

Bonds' physical growth was accompanied by a remarkable power surge. During the 2001 season he broke Mark McGwire's single-season home run crown, and by 2006, he'd passed Babe Ruth to move into second-place among the sport's most prolific power hitters. He will soon in all likelihood surpass Aaron's career mark of 755 homers.

Speculation of his impending indictment had mounted for more than a year. In July 2006, the U.S. attorney in San Francisco, who led the investigation, took the unusual step of going public with the probe by announcing he was handing it off to a new grand jury when the previous panel's 18-month term expired. Prosecutors are typically secretive about grand jury proceedings.

At the center of the investigation is Bonds' childhood friend and personal trainer, Greg Anderson, who spent most of the past year in a federal detention center for refusing to testify to the grand jury investigating Bonds' alleged perjury.

According to testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle, Bonds testified in 2003 that he took two substances given to him by Anderson -- which he called "the cream" and "the clear" -- to soothe aches and pains and help him better recover from injuries.

The substances fit the description of steroids peddled by BALCO founder Victor Conte. But when questioned under oath by investigators, Bonds famously said he believed Anderson had given him flaxseed oil and an arthritic balm.

Investigators and the public had their doubts.

Aiming to prove Bonds a liar, prosecutors tried to compel Anderson to testify. When he refused, they jailed him for contempt.

Bonds joins a parade of defendants tied to the BALCO investigation, including Anderson, who served three months in prison and three months of home detention after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering.

Conte also served three months in prison after he pleaded guilty to steroids distribution.

Patrick Arnold, the rogue chemist who created the designer steroid THG, BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny also all also pleaded guilty. Korchemny and Valente were sentenced to probation and Arnold sent to prison for four months.

Kirk Radomski, a former New York Mets clubhouse attendant, pleaded guilty April 27 to drug and money laundering charges after federal officials said he became Major League Baseball's biggest steroids dealer after BALCO shut down.

Elite cyclist Tammy Thomas and track coach Trevor Graham have each pleaded not guilty to lying to a grand jury and federal investigators about their involvement with steroids.

Troy Ellerman, a defense attorney who represented two of the BALCO figures, pleaded guilty to leaking confidential grand jury transcripts to the San Francisco Chronicle and then denying he was the leak in court documents filed under penalty of perjury.

Dozens of other prominent athletes have been connected to BALCO, including New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi who told the grand jury he injected steroids purchased at BALCO and Detroit Tigers outfielder Gary Sheffield who testified that Bonds introduced him to BALCO.

[Dan Gould]

An early Christmas gift to every baseball fan who doesn't live in San Francisco.

[Dan Gould]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

[Tim McG]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

Indictment, inschmitement....you still gotta prove it.

Good luck with that.

Edited November 15, 2007 by GoodSpeak

[Chalupa]

About frickin' time.

[Dan Gould]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

Indictment, inschmitement....you still gotta prove it.

Good luck with that.

And now, you're going to see all of the evidence that he used steroids and then lied about it.

I hope you're prepared, and also prepared to eat crow to all of the people here that you annoyed to no end with your nonsensical assertions.

[Tim McG]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

Indictment, inschmitement....you still gotta prove it.

Good luck with that.

And now, you're going to see all of the evidence that he used steroids and then lied about it.

I hope you're prepared, and also prepared to eat crow to all of the people here that you annoyed to no end with your nonsensical assertions.

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exonerated.

Besides, I have always maintained that if Barry Bonds was proven guilty of taking steroids then I would be the first to admit it.

And, even if he did, they do not make you see the ball better and they do not cause you to hit HRs. Further, if found guilty, I want a full scale investigation of any baseball player who holds a record or a place in the HOF. Otherwise, it is and was and ever will be a media lynching and federal witch hunt.

Edited November 16, 2007 by GoodSpeak

[sheldonm]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

Indictment, inschmitement....you still gotta prove it.

Good luck with that.

And now, you're going to see all of the evidence that he used steroids and then lied about it.

I hope you're prepared, and also prepared to eat crow to all of the people here that you annoyed to no end with your nonsensical assertions.

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exhonerated.

Besides, I have always maintained that if Barry Bonds was proven guilty of taking steroids then I would be the first to admit it.

And, even if he did, they do not make you see the ball better and they do not cause you to hit HRs. Further, if found guilty, I want a full scale investigation of any baseball player who holds a record or a place in the HOF. Otherwise, it is and was and ever will be a media lynching and federal witch hunt.

....here we go again!

[Dan Gould]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

Indictment, inschmitement....you still gotta prove it.

Good luck with that.

And now, you're going to see all of the evidence that he used steroids and then lied about it.

I hope you're prepared, and also prepared to eat crow to all of the people here that you annoyed to no end with your nonsensical assertions.

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exhonerated.

Besides, I have always maintained that if Barry Bonds was proven guilty of taking steroids then I would be the first to admit it.

And, even if he did, they do not make you see the ball better and they do not cause you to hit HRs. Further, if found guilty, I want a full scale investigation of any baseball player who holds a record or a place in the HOF. Otherwise, it is and was and ever will be a media lynching and federal witch hunt.

And you remain a joke and a fool.

We've gone over it before. EVERYONE on the board who has expressed an opinion believes that steroids DO help you hit home runs. Only you continue to insist otherwise.

And to say that it "is and was and ever will be a media lynching and federal witch hunt" after he is indicted and convicted is beyond laughable.

You are like Stephen A. Smith, who was blathering on ESPN about how its all because Bonds is black and chasing the home run record, and McGuire practically took the Fifth in front of Congress and nothing happened to him.

Excuse me. Something did happen to McGuire: His testimony destroyed his chance to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

And this idea that others have to be investigated, or else. Sorry. Bonds chose to involve himself in a criminal organization - BALCO - and to knowingly use their illegal products. Because of his involvement with BALCO, he became subject to the Grand Jury investigation of BALCO and its owners and employees. He chose to commit perjury and now he is indicted for that offense.

Show me someone else who knowingly lies in a federal court proceeding, and I'll show you someone who deserves a "full scale investigation".

And how pathetic that you are a teacher who can't spell exonerated.

[Van Basten II]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

Indictment, inschmitement....you still gotta prove it.

Good luck with that.

And now, you're going to see all of the evidence that he used steroids and then lied about it.

I hope you're prepared, and also prepared to eat crow to all of the people here that you annoyed to no end with your nonsensical assertions.

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exhonerated.

Besides, I have always maintained that if Barry Bonds was proven guilty of taking steroids then I would be the first to admit it.

And, even if he did, they do not make you see the ball better and they do not cause you to hit HRs. Further, if found guilty, I want a full scale investigation of any baseball player who holds a record or a place in the HOF. Otherwise, it is and was and ever will be a media lynching and federal witch hunt.

....here we go again!

There is an option that allows people not seeing political thread how about a such option for this thread.

Seriously the idea of conversing is to put your ideas against someone else and learn from it, this thread has stopped being that a long time ago. It's more of a pissing contest.

[Chalupa]

You already have that option. I mean, if you don't want to read the thread well then don't click on it.

[Tim McG]

Read the indictment and weep here, Goodie!

Indictment, inschmitement....you still gotta prove it.

Good luck with that.

And now, you're going to see all of the evidence that he used steroids and then lied about it.

I hope you're prepared, and also prepared to eat crow to all of the people here that you annoyed to no end with your nonsensical assertions.

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exonerated.

Besides, I have always maintained that if Barry Bonds was proven guilty of taking steroids then I would be the first to admit it.

And, even if he did, they do not make you see the ball better and they do not cause you to hit HRs. Further, if found guilty, I want a full scale investigation of any baseball player who holds a record or a place in the HOF. Otherwise, it is and was and ever will be a media lynching and federal witch hunt.

And you remain a joke and a fool.

We've gone over it before. EVERYONE on the board who has expressed an opinion believes that steroids DO help you hit home runs. Only you continue to insist otherwise.

And to say that it "is and was and ever will be a media lynching and federal witch hunt" after he is indicted and convicted is beyond laughable.

You are like Stephen A. Smith, who was blathering on ESPN about how its all because Bonds is black and chasing the home run record, and McGuire practically took the Fifth in front of Congress and nothing happened to him.

Excuse me. Something did happen to McGuire: His testimony destroyed his chance to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

And this idea that others have to be investigated, or else. Sorry. Bonds chose to involve himself in a criminal organization - BALCO - and to knowingly use their illegal products. Because of his involvement with BALCO, he became subject to the Grand Jury investigation of BALCO and its owners and employees. He chose to commit perjury and now he is indicted for that offense.

Show me someone else who knowingly lies in a federal court proceeding, and I'll show you someone who deserves a "full scale investigation".

And how pathetic that you are a teacher who can't spell exonerated.

As someone else has already pointed out...here we go again.

Proving perjury is going to be one helluva a hard sell, Dan.

BTW, sorry about the misspelled word....I'll shoot for perfection in my next lifetime, OK?

[Tim McG]

BTW...Rafael Palmeiro lied under oath, too.

I'll be looking forward to seing his GJ trial real soon.

Tell me....

If everyone on this BBS told you to walk West until your hat floats...would you do it?

Yer killin' me, Dan.

Edited November 16, 2007 by GoodSpeak

[Chuck Nessa]

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exonerated.

Do not expect to see You Tube video of this.

Dream on, Goodie

[Tim McG]

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exonerated.

Do not expect to see You Tube video of this.

Dream on, Goodie

Good point.

[alocispepraluger102]

there are definitely some positive blood tests the feds are sitting on,

perhaps team physicalsor blood tests at the start of each season, or blood samples for baroid's several infirmities.

baroid has painted a bullseye on his own chest.

this appears to be much more substantial than a 'ham sandwich' indictment from a local D.A.

do i somewhat smell the odor of one certain bush, jr., championing the sanctity of his beloved 'baseball,' too late to do this jr. any good?

[Dan Gould]

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exonerated.

Do not expect to see You Tube video of this.

Dream on, Goodie

Good point.

Work on your reading comprehension, Goodie. He's not saying there won't be youtube video of me taking it in the shorts - he's saying there won't be any video of Bonds getting exonerated cause he'll be getting convicted.

See that's why he said "dream on".

[Soulstation1]

Barry for President of The United States

[Tim McG]

there are definitely some positive blood tests the feds are sitting on,

perhaps team physicalsor blood tests at the start of each season, or blood samples for baroid's several infirmities.

baroid has painted a bullseye on his own chest.

this appears to be much more substantial than a 'ham sandwich' indictment from a local D.A.

do i somewhat smell the odor of one certain bush, jr., championing the sanctity of his beloved 'baseball,' too late to do this jr. any good?

He has already admitted to using the "Clear" when it wasn't illegal to do so.

I'll bet you dollars to donut holes that is the positive tests the feds are presenting.

Edited November 16, 2007 by GoodSpeak

[Tim McG]

I hope you're ready to take it in the shorts when Bonds is exonerated.

Do not expect to see You Tube video of this.

Dream on, Goodie

Good point.

Work on your reading comprehension, Goodie. He's not saying there won't be youtube video of me taking it in the shorts - he's saying there won't be any video of Bonds getting exonerated cause he'll be getting convicted.

See that's why he said "dream on".

No.

I think he means you won't actually admit when you are WRONG, big boy.

Deal with it.

[Tim McG]

Barry for President of The United States

Marion Barry...the cokehead of DC?