bertrand Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 (edited) I've ignored the Hubbard CTI dates, mostly because I heard First Light and didn't like it (cheesy strings). How are Red Clay and Straight Life? Joe Henderson is on both, which makes them tempting. Any strings on these, or are they pretty much straight ahead? Thanks, Bertrand. Edited May 6, 2007 by bertrand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 I've ignored the Hubbard CTI dates, mostly because I heard First Light and didn't like it (cheesy strings). How are Red Clay and Straight Life? Joe Henderson is on both, which makes them tempting. Any strings on these, or are they pretty much straight ahead? Thanks, Bertrand. I prefer Red Clay to Straight Life, but both are worth hearing. No strings - there are pretty much straight-ahead dates of their era. I also like Keep Your Soul Together with Junior Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcy62 Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 I've ignored the Hubbard CTI dates, mostly because I heard First Light and didn't like it (cheesy strings). How are Red Clay and Straight Life? Joe Henderson is on both, which makes them tempting. Any strings on these, or are they pretty much straight ahead? Thanks, Bertrand. I prefer Red Clay to Straight Life, but both are worth hearing. No strings - there are pretty much straight-ahead dates of their era. I also like Keep Your Soul Together with Junior Cook. Agree. Red Clay is the best of the bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I've ignored the Hubbard CTI dates, mostly because I heard First Light and didn't like it (cheesy strings). How are Red Clay and Straight Life? Joe Henderson is on both, which makes them tempting. Any strings on these, or are they pretty much straight ahead? Thanks, Bertrand. Get 'em. Those are 2 of the best CTIs ever. You can't go wrong with either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 i don't think either of those dates is very interesting. straight life is especially boring. endless strings of solos over boring repetitive grooves. lenny white's drumming is kind of weak on red clay and ruins the session, IMO. maybe i should relisten... i think keep your soul together is a better (the best of the bunch) hubbard CTI session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 In Concert with Stanley Turrentine is very nice. Features Herbie and Jack DeJohnette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milestones20 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Not his album, but Freddie has some fine moments on a Milt Jackson's CTI album "Sunflower." Be forewarned: it has strings on some (but not all) of the tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Stanley Turrentine's CTI album Sugar also has some fine Freddie Hubbard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Stanley Turrentine's CTI album Sugar also has some fine Freddie Hubbard. 'Sugar' and 'Red Clay' are maybe THE two CTI albums of all time. They are of their era, but very enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Stanley Turrentine's CTI album Sugar also has some fine Freddie Hubbard. 'Sugar' and 'Red Clay' are maybe THE two CTI albums of all time. They are of their era, but very enjoyable. Yes, I wore those two LPs out when I first started to listen to jazz back in the 1970s. Sugar is the better overall album, as I like the whole record; as for Red Clay, I just like the title cut, but what a title cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Red Clay is the archetype/icon/conventional-wisdom-favorite, and probably hangs together better as a "presentation", but in all honesty, I think that everybody involved plays better (i.e. - looser & more inventive) on Straight Life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Honestly, I think I enjoy CTI-era Freddie more than I do Blue Note Freddie. I love those first four albums he did for CTI, as well as his work on the aforementioned Sugar. But then, I'm a huge sucker for Don Sebesky arrangements, so YMMV. Having recently acquired the LP Giant Box, all I can say is I'm in CTI-era Freddie heaven! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 yes, I agree. Red Clay and Sugar are probably the best CTI albums out there, they hold up very well. A lot of people must have done who knows what on Sugar's cover though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 just got my straight life last week- noticed the lp sleeve was neatly crafted from newsprint, actually works perfectly, i didnt even bother to swap it... i pointed this out to the guy @ counter, he said he bought a whole collection of records from this giant obeese man who had nothing to do all day but collect records and make those sleeves, and that he actually had so many, he even piled them up in his bathroom, and it got to a certain point where he actually had to stop using the bathroom he said-- i have thus been sacred to spin my copy of straight life!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I like all of Hubbard's CTI albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1969 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 lenny white's drumming is kind of weak on red clay and ruins the session, IMO. i think keep your soul together is a better (the best of the bunch) hubbard CTI session. I agree. Not that I want to do the guy down. White was only 19 when the session was made. He's probably a great drummer overall. But jesus, what a shame that they didin't ask other house drummers Billy Bobham or my preference Idris Muhammad to take his place if only for the title track. It's arguably the best composition of Hubbard's entire career, with one of the best lineups and also one of the few genuine Jazz standard to come out of the 70s. It an all time classic that missed sistine-chapel style perfection on account of the lame, timid drumming. Poeple have discussed this before on another thread somewhere but I can't find the link. BTW Skydive ain't at all bad. Cobham's back in the house and the track Povo kicks ass where Red Clay could have and should have. I also dig Sebesky's psychedelic strings on his LP CTI LP - Polar AC - with the version of People make the world go round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donald petersen Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 no one's feeling get your soul together? weren't we just having a junior cook love-fest? i also disagree that sugar and red clay are about the best CTIs. both have that "overly professional" feeling...well sugar moreso than red clay, which i guess i think just lacks punch because of the drumming. but sugar to me sounds like an updated blue note session from the hard bop years-a good tune, a string of good soloists...fine but it gets old. straight life definitely gives me that feel also. sky dive i just don't like the material that much though i do like hearing jarrett on e-piano. i guess that's just me but i like the CTI sessions with more of a working band (or less "all star band", at least) feel to them (fingers, for instance and upon this rock as another example and get your soul together as another example). one of those live CTI volumes with hubbard/turrentine is boring but the other is pretty interesting with a smoother update on that sextant tune hornets. still nothing incredible. turrentine is probably not the right guy, though. he's fine though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Haven't heard GET YOUR SOUL TOGETHER, but if I ever run across a used vinyl copy, I'll snap it up in a heartbeat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMP Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Think I like "Straight Life" a little more than "Red Clay" (which I bought the week it came out - my first CTI title). Hancock's electric piano (so strong in so many other situations) sounds thin to me - "Straight Life" has a fuller sound, with the guitar and added percussion. And if I never hear that mysteriouso introduction to "Clay" again it would be all right with me. (It was okay the first hundred times, but today it keeps me from putting the album on.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kh1958 Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Haven't heard GET YOUR SOUL TOGETHER, but if I ever run across a used vinyl copy, I'll snap it up in a heartbeat! Not too long after this one came out, Freddie played at a club on Harry Hines here in Dallas--I think it was called the Pirate's Cabaret. Marchel Ivery was the opening act. Junior Cook was not present, but George Cables was (on electric piano), and Henry Franklin (on electric bass). The highlight that I stilll remember was the quintet opening the second set with Spirits of Trane, from Keep Your Soul Together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 I dunno. I'm kinda partial to: Sky Dive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Haven't heard GET YOUR SOUL TOGETHER, but if I ever run across a used vinyl copy, I'll snap it up in a heartbeat! This is the only one of those Hubbard CTIs that I have on vinyl. Picked it up for about $5 in Toronto. It's good ! The gloopy bass on these CTIs sounds a bit dated these days though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Red Clay is the archetype/icon/conventional-wisdom-favorite, and probably hangs together better as a "presentation", but in all honesty, I think that everybody involved plays better (i.e. - looser & more inventive) on Straight Life. In total agreement. That "In Concert" album is killer as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Red Clay is the archetype/icon/conventional-wisdom-favorite, and probably hangs together better as a "presentation", but in all honesty, I think that everybody involved plays better (i.e. - looser & more inventive) on Straight Life. In total agreement. That "In Concert" album is killer as well. Which one? Seems like there are a lot of CTI "In Concert" albums on which Freddie appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Red Clay is the archetype/icon/conventional-wisdom-favorite, and probably hangs together better as a "presentation", but in all honesty, I think that everybody involved plays better (i.e. - looser & more inventive) on Straight Life. In total agreement. That "In Concert" album is killer as well. Which one? Seems like there are a lot of CTI "In Concert" albums on which Freddie appears. This one. Turrentine is friggin' ON during this concert, he stretches out much farther than you'd expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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