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There was a 2 CD box "The Major Works of John Coltrane", including both takes of Ascension, Om, Kulu Se Mama, and Selflessness - but I think that's not quite what Chewy wants.

Besides that and the live in Japan box, that's it. Go for the single CD releases. But it would be a nice idea ....

king ubu Explorer

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Would definitely be a nice idea - probably just the studio dates:

- Meditations

- Ascension

- Om

- Kulu Se Mama (title track and "Selflessness" only - rest is on "Major Works", right?)

- Interstellar Space (how do I get to play the hidden track that's on the disc? my disc has I think one alternate listed on the cover, it's the old jewel case GRP version)

- the sessions from "Expression" and the posthumous/fairly recent disc, "Stellar Regions"

I still have that "Major Works" 2CD set but not the individual albums/CDs. "Om" is not on CD, and the other individual discs (Kulu Se Mama & Ascension) do not contain anything that one doesn't have either on the "Major Works" or on the "Classic Quartet" sets, is that correct?

Btw, I still miss the Vanguard Again and Tunji discs... shame on me, but somehow, that's the only Coltrane I don't have yet, and I'm in no rush (there's a Hank Mobley album I don't have yet, too... tough to settle with the thought that there's nothing new to come!)

mikeweil Mentor

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- Interstellar Space (how do I get to play the hidden track that's on the disc? my disc has I think one alternate listed on the cover, it's the old jewel case GRP version)

Hidden track? :blink:

1. Mars

2. Leo *

3. Venus

4. Jupiter Variation *

5. Jupiter

6. Saturn

Tracks marked * are bonus cuts not on the first LP version but on one of the "Mastery" LP series. That's all there is, AFAIK.

Cuscuna included only Kulu Se Mama and Selflessness in the Major Works box because they were the only titles recorded at that session (and with an expanded grouplike the other pieces). At that time he still tried to sort out some of the scattered release patterns.

I have to admit I like it much better that way.

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king ubu Explorer

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That hidden track talk was in another thread, where hidden track(s) on a Satchmo disc and the Billy Bauer VEE CD were mentioned as well. My disc has the same tracklisting you give above. No idea what the hidden track talk is about and how to get them to play... (I have the Bauer as well, never found anything hidden there...)

My listing omits the Cosmic one - two tracks with Trane, bass clarinet included. Would definitely be a great thing to have all these sessions, quartet to (almost) big band collected in a nice set - how many discs would that be, 5 or 6? Likely depending on what still lies in the archives...

king ubu Explorer

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Hidden track? :blink:

check page 14 in the booklet for instructions. Rewinding from track 1 somehow does not work for me.

You'se talking of "Interstellar Space"? I don't think my booklet has more than 8 pages... but I'll check tonight!

couw Newbie

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Hidden track? :blink:

check page 14 in the booklet for instructions. Rewinding from track 1 somehow does not work for me.

You'se talking of "Interstellar Space"?

yes, the 2000 digipac re-issue

king ubu Explorer

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ah, I see - I have the old one there, too - sucks with all these various editions. so what then is the ghost track? something worth updating? or is the sonic difference worth getting the newer edition?

Late Collaborator

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So what then is the ghost track? Something worth updating?

The hidden track from the 2000 edition isn't really a "song" per se. It's essentially 2:30 of false starts, studio chatter, and Bob Thiele calling out take #s. The only interesting element for me is hearing Coltrane talk to Ali. I guess, initially, Ali was going to play bells as well as his kit, but Coltrane says something to the effect of: "Here, I'll do it" — that's about it as far as I can tell; I couldn't get the disc to rewind any further (past -2:30). For the hidden track alone, it's not worth updating. For the sound, and if you have a particular fondness for that session, I'd say, yes, it is worth updating. The sonic difference isn't huge, but on the later edition, and to my ears, Ali's drums come through with greater clarity. Overall, if you have the earlier edition and can spend the money elsewhere, I'd say do that.

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king ubu Explorer

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Why a box? (Why a duck?)

Why not more unissued single discs?

Agreed. I don't understand the box set fetish.

Guy

In my case it's just that I have the music in various editions: digipacks, old GRP jewel case versions, a japanese disc... and I think it would be a very varied set. Anyway, I can live with single discs as well, of course.

Expressions has not seen a digipack-reissue, has it? There's still only the old CD?

mikeweil Mentor

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Expressions basically should be re-compiled, as one track turned out to belong to the Stellar Regions sessions.

But the desire to complete sessions on CD re-issues and the desire to base them on "original LPs" clash.

Still waiting for a re-issue of the Reverend King sessions for probably the same reason.

Kyo Newbie

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Still waiting for a re-issue of the Reverend King sessions for probably the same reason.

Yeah, that's the session that I'm also waiting for. What's up with that? They

included the tracks without Coltrane on a reissued Alice Coltrane album but

never bothered to release the Coltrane tracks with the rest of that session.

mikeweil Mentor

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Universal has to make a deal with Ravi - he will not stall, that's for sure.

But I think the main "problem" is that there is not a real "original" album to deal with. This would have to be an entirely new compilation. Could it be that Cuscuna is tired of dealing with Verve?

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GUY DONT YOU GO JUMPING DOWN MY PIE-HOLE SAYING I HAVE A BOXED SET FETISH- I HAVE ****RARELY***** POSTED BOXED SET REQUESTS AT ALL UNLIKE --SOME-- PEOPLE HERE!!!! I THINK THE ONLY OTHER ONE I REQUESTED WAS A COMPLETE CAPITOL JACKIE GLEASON MOSIAC

Woah, sorry dude. No intent to offend.

Guy

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GUY DONT YOU GO JUMPING DOWN MY PIE-HOLE SAYING I HAVE A BOXED SET FETISH- I HAVE ****RARELY***** POSTED BOXED SET REQUESTS AT ALL UNLIKE --SOME-- PEOPLE HERE!!!! I THINK THE ONLY OTHER ONE I REQUESTED WAS A COMPLETE CAPITOL JACKIE GLEASON MOSIAC

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