connoisseur series500 Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Now that the NBA season is over, can we get back to NFL talk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Tough call - I don't like the question. I would never get rid of Duncan, so it would be either Parker or Bowen. Which would be easier to replace? The best one-on-one perimeter defender in the NBA or a great point guard? Based on their respective ages, I'd probably keep Parker. But if age wasn't a factor, I'd very possibly keep Bowen and replace Parker. I think Popovich could develop another point guard easier than he could get someone who's willing to do what Bowen's done. I don't think Parker is necessarily "great", though I agree that he's very good. Guy In Cleveland, the biggest shortcoming is the absence of a good point guard, and it has been that way since Andre Miller was traded to the Clippers (for Darius Miles, eccch!). If only Mark Price in his prime could have been on the floor this week (...or even Terrell Brandon). Heck, Brevin Knight may be an improvement as playmaker. In limited time in his rookie year, Daniel Gibson showed some flashes as a scorer, but he may turn out to be no better at running the offense than Larry Hughes (which is to say, not really running it). So perhaps I am overinclined to retain a "great" or "very good" PG, because I don't think there are many of them that can run the offense, get to the rim, and (apparently) shoot from outside. Not to denigrate Bowen's value--I just have difficulty measuring the individual contribution that BB makes within their excellent team concept. If I added Ginobili to the list, would he be the first to go? [easier question?] For me, this year, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sorry, back to more pressing issues. Are Chauncey and 'Sheed wearing Pistons uniforms next year? As much as I love Billups, I would not overpay him. If a situation came up like with Ben Wallace last year, I'd say let him go. As for 'Sheed... I love him, too... but his style of play is quickly becoming antiquated in this league (which is unfortunate, I think). It doesn't matter because I hereby predict that the Cavs will win the championship next year! Stern will make it so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 In Cleveland, the biggest shortcoming is the absence of a good point guard, and it has been that way since Andre Miller was traded to the Clippers (for Darius Miles, eccch!). If only Mark Price in his prime could have been on the floor this week (...or even Terrell Brandon). Heck, Brevin Knight may be an improvement as playmaker. In limited time in his rookie year, Daniel Gibson showed some flashes as a scorer, but he may turn out to be no better at running the offense than Larry Hughes (which is to say, not really running it). So perhaps I am overinclined to retain a "great" or "very good" PG, because I don't think there are many of them that can run the offense, get to the rim, and (apparently) shoot from outside You really think so? LeBron is a good ball handler and passer and makes a top point guard less of a necessity. (Same with Wade in Miami.) Cleveland's main problem is that aside from LeBron, all their players are slightly above average at best. An upgrade at any position would be a big improvement. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Agreed that they need another allstar somewhere. Tough when your team has only one quarter of the Fantastic Four. LeBron is good handling the ball and passing, but I think he'd be even tougher on the offensive end if he would post more. Given his size, he should be able to do this against any small forward. But you need someone else to act as PG to do that (or so it appears for Cavs). So many times, all season long, the ball was being passed around the perimeter until there was no time on the clock and LeBron or one of the other supposed outside shooters had to heave up a prayer. Part of this is "watch LeBron syndrome". Part of this probably can be fixed with a coach that knows something about offensive schemes, but I think a solid PG is needed as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceW Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sorry, back to more pressing issues. Are Chauncey and 'Sheed wearing Pistons uniforms next year? No, I truly believe Chauncey played in a manner that showed he was ready to move on. He wants to be a super star. He appears tired of dishing off. Sheed has worn out his welcome. He is just too big not to be in the middle banging up guys. He really hates to do that. He has also been around long enough to stop his whining all the time. and what happens with kobe? What about him, Lakers are not going to trade him, and who has enough to give up to get him anyway????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 and what happens with kobe? What about him, Lakers are not going to trade him, and who has enough to give up to get him anyway????? Phoenix could put together some interesting trades for Kobe. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceW Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 and what happens with kobe? What about him, Lakers are not going to trade him, and who has enough to give up to get him anyway????? Phoenix could put together some interesting trades for Kobe. Guy If Phoenix give up (2 to 3 guys minimum required), then they won't be Phoenix anymore. Lakers might improve but would have no go-to stars. -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted June 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 suns' fans are freakin' cryin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted June 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Guy & No-JJJ-y do i win the nba organissimo pool since unfortunately i'm the only one with the spurs in the finals? As long as you acknowledge that you sold your soul to the devil. Guy i sold my soul to the turtle....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Phoenix could put together some interesting trades for Kobe. Guy If Phoenix give up (2 to 3 guys minimum required), then they won't be Phoenix anymore. Lakers might improve but would have no go-to stars. -_- I think this is a good trade for both teams: Phoenix trades Shawn Marion, Leandro Barbosa, Marcus Banks and the rights to Atlanta's 2008 first-rounder to the Lakers for Kobe and Radmanovic. 1) Phoenix would have a starting lineup of Nash, Kobe, Amare, Boris Diaw and Raja Bell. Assuming Kobe plays team ball (admittedly a big "if"), this is easily a championship-caliber team. 2) The Lakers would indeed lack a "go-to" star, but right now Kobe's getting them (at best) an annual first round exit from the playoffs. Some other trade ideas. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 1) Phoenix would have a starting lineup of Nash, Kobe, Amare, Boris Diaw and Raja Bell. Assuming Kobe plays team ball (admittedly a big "if"), this is easily a championship-caliber team. Phoenix has a championship caliber team right now, without any trades. They battled it out with San Antonio better than anyone else in the playoffs, and I think their series could have easily gone 7 games without the suspensions. If they could somehow make this trade happen, they'd have to be considered the odds-on favorite next season. Again, assuming Kobe can play team ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) So what about King James as the NBA's savior? He may get there someday - or he may not. Over the past ten years, there's been a line there ahead of him of guys who haven't made that grade. One great game doesn't do it. He's not Michael; he's not Magic; and he's probably not even Kobe. Time will tell. Edited June 18, 2007 by paul secor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceW Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 So what about King James as the NBA's savior? He may get there someday - or he may not. Over the past ten years, there's been a line there ahead of him of guys who haven't made that grade. One great game doesn't do it. He's not Michael; he's not Magic; and he's probably not even Kobe. Time will tell. Not even Kobe, of course not, he is none of those and never will be. He will only be Lebron James whenever his game matures a little more. I view "King James as the NBA's savior" simply as PR the NBA puts out to keep and gain its viewers and nothing more. The NBA makes money, Cleveland makes money, James makes money etc., etc., etc., nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 So what about King James as the NBA's savior? He may get there someday - or he may not. Over the past ten years, there's been a line there ahead of him of guys who haven't made that grade. One great game doesn't do it. He's not Michael; he's not Magic; and he's probably not even Kobe. Time will tell. Given the amount of over-the-top praise given to "King James" (and it's only going to get worse over the next ten years), I hate jumping to his defense. But let's keep in mind that the guy is only 22. Lebron is better than Kobe was at the same age. Jordan started his NBA career at 21 or 22, and didn't win his first title until he was 28. He has the advantage of being larger than either Kobe or Jordan. He's a better passer than Kobe, and a worse defender. We'll see. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Didn't mean it as a total dis of LeBron. I just got sick of all the hype that was out there after the 6th game against Detroit. It sure has disappeared quickly. He's a very good player and I hope he continues to improve. And I hope that the "experts" shut up and just let him do whatever he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Didn't mean it as a total dis of LeBron. I just got sick of all the hype that was out there after the 6th game against Detroit. It sure has disappeared quickly. He's a very good player and I hope he continues to improve. And I hope that the "experts" shut up and just let him do whatever he does. They won't. Just like with Dwyane Wade before him, we'll hear an endless amount of nonstop gushing. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 LeBron is obviously young and obviously immensely talented, and at least to this point does not appear to have offcourt issues. He's also a hard worker who has improved his game. Lots of hype, but that is the way of the NBA. Names change, but the basic marketing strategy remains. Can't really blame LeBron, Cleveland, or the NBA if Nike and Coke want to throw gobs of $ at him. [Yes he could just say no, but it doesn't appear to be affecting his game. If anything, it's playing on the national team that may compromise his performance.] Meanwhile the Association cannot figure out a way to market/hype the Spurs who are a great team. Duncan may be low key, but there's got to be a better way to present Parker and Ginobili (and Duncan) to the casual basketball fan (heck even Bowen--is he a bad boy or isn't he?) than showing Eva at every lull when SA has possession. Parker and Ginobili are exciting to watch. Stern and the mkting geniuses should be able to figure something out. Or is it really sneaker companies that do all the hype? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 The average fan likes flash, not good basketball. Perhaps I'm wrong about this, but I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 The average fan likes flash, not good basketball. Perhaps I'm wrong about this, but I don't think so. I agree. Furthermore, I'd guess that flash predicts player salaries better than player skill. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Meanwhile the Association cannot figure out a way to market/hype the Spurs who are a great team. This is one of the few positive aspects of a Spurs championship. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Sometimes I sit around feelling sorry for myself, like life couldn't get any worse, and my thoughts turn to dark things, I step back and realize there are always people (like Tony Parker) who have it much worse than me, and life is suddenly ok again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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