Dan Gould Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 how many games out do the yankess need before torre to gets the boot?? i'll go with 18-19 What I am enjoying for the moment is the fact that they were 5 1/2 out when Roger the Merc made his announcement, and now they are 10 1/2 back. I said back then that I hoped they'd be able to put them on life support by the time he returns, and with the Yanks facing the Halos and the Sox at Texas this weekend, I think we've got a good shot to put them 12-13 back by the time the Yanks face Toronto and the Sox get the Tribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 how many games out do the yankess need before torre to gets the boot?? i'll go with 18-19 Out of 1st in the AL East or wildcard race? Winning the division doesn't matter. The Red Sox can play .700 ball all season, yet if the Yanks somehow are better than the 2nd best team in the Central (just guessing here) that's probably good enough to make the playoffs. And as we've seen for years, best regular season record doesn't mean a thing in the playoffs. Supposedly George realizes that the massive amount of injuries to the staff is a rash of rotten luck (and one who was a rotten signing. ) We sort of went thru this last year, speculating on the Yanks not making it during a rash of injuries (it's always a "rash" of injuries isn't it?), and they were able to buy their way out of trouble and improve their play. If Hughes comes back & lives up to promise, and Abreu ups his game, and _____ and _______ and ______ (lots of blanks to fill in), toss in cliches about it being a long season. That said it's not going to be easy, as Leyland's Tigers were no fluke, love those Indians, and Minnesota always seems to manage to be competitive. It's a mighty good & interesting season this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 What I like best about the Red Sox chances is that barring injury, Beckett, Schilling, and Dice-K are unlikely to allow any sort of long losing streak. As long as the starters are effective, it will be nearly impossible to have the type of collapse that can get the Yankees back into position. I do think that people like Abreu and some of the other blanks will get it together to make a run at the wild card, but at the same time this looks very much like the best chance in a long time that the Yanks will go home at the end of the season. As for Torre, I tend to agree with the idea that Old George does not want to fire him and put Mattingly into such a tough spot right off the bat. Better to let Joe deal with it, and even if he gets the team to the playoffs, it will still be time for George to tell him, its been a great run but its time. And of course if the team misses the playoffs, his contract expires, he retires to Maui with four rings and only one major blemish, and Mattingly gets to take over what will be a very different team, possibly without Abreu or A-Rod, maybe not even Giambi. But maybe there's Ichiro or Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones, Damon as 1B/DH and Zambrano in the rotation with Wang and Hughes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 The head scratcher for me concerning the Yankees is this is the 5th season without a fulltime studly 1st baseman. Sure Giambi sometimes plays there, but other than hot month of May Tino had a few years ago they haven't gotten much there. You'd think that'd be the easiest need to fill. I suppose instead they invested the dollars that could have gone there in Pavano. Then again the Mariners never did have a quality fulltime LF next to Griffey for those 11 years he played CF, and that's another seemingly easy position to fill. As Dan notes it likely won't be a problem next year if Damon moves over there and they pick up one of the FA CFs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Well, it looks like Elijah Dukes is going to throw his career and life away..... http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/23/Tampabay..._wife__He.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 and with the Yanks facing the Halos and the Sox at Texas this weekend, I think we've got a good shot to put them 12-13 back by the time the Yanks face Toronto and the Sox get the Tribe. Unfortunately, you may be right. If Washington wins tonight, the Rangers are officially the worst team in the MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted May 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Well, it looks like Elijah Dukes is going to throw his career and life away..... http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/23/Tampabay..._wife__He.shtml Yeah, I heard about that. What an idiot. But I guess that is largely due to how athletes are coddled by their coaches dating clear back to junior HS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 Well, it looks like Elijah Dukes is going to throw his career and life away..... http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/23/Tampabay..._wife__He.shtml $&#@!, that's a hell of phone message to leave. I don't think VORP factors things like that into the equation. FWIW the M's-Rays game is on and B.J. Upton is playing CF. Dukes not in the lineup. Upton leads off with a HR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donald byrd 4 EVA Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Elijah Dukes looks way scary and intense in the linked picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted May 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Elijah Dukes looks way scary and intense in the linked picture. $380,000 bucks a year playing in the MLB and he still relates everything from da 'Hood, yo. Five children from four different women. The dude never got out of the ghetto, apperently. What a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I just read this article on Dukes a few weeks ago, which makes what's happened even more sad....Peter Gammons was just raving about him as a person earlier this year as well.... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2823398 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Elijah Dukes looks way scary and intense in the linked picture. $380,000 bucks a year playing in the MLB and he still relates everything from da 'Hood, yo. Five children from four different women. The dude never got out of the ghetto, apperently. What a moron. WTF? You think that $380,000 goes to diction lessons instead of bling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 I don't know what Yankee fans think but its obvious to me that Clemens is not ready for the AL East, and based on these starts (which considering his accelarated timetable, isn't like making a judgement based on a two inning spring training appearance) he is a five inning-four or five run pitcher against the DH league. Good luck with all that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyJazz Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Well, this Yankee fan's opinion is that Roger has no business coming in mid season to the American League at the age of 45. He will most definitely not be a savior. I'm counting on Tyler Clippard (or "T-Clip" as his buddies call him) to be that. P.S. I did however enjoy watching Curt the Blurt get smacked around last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Well, this Yankee fan's opinion is that Roger has no business coming in mid season to the American League at the age of 45. He will most definitely not be a savior. I'm counting on Tyler Clippard (or "T-Clip" as his buddies call him) to be that. What? The Yankee Clippard too close to a certain legend's nickname? Fact is that the anticipated rotation is Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Clemens and Hughes. Clippard won't have the opportunity unless someone is injured or Mussina goes on the DL with "forearm tendinitis, AKA General Crappitude"). I wonder what the chances are that the magic number will be under 100 by the time the Yanks leave Boston? Its 108 now - and the Angels are in town riding a hot streak, followed by Toronto and they've played much better since we sweeped them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Yankees hope to have Pavano decision next week By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer May 18, 2007 NEW YORK (AP) -- The Yankees hope to announce next week whether Carl Pavano will need surgery. Pavano hasn't pitched since April 9 and might have a reconstructive elbow operation, which would sideline him for the remainder of this season and most, if not all, of next year. He has been examined by four doctors -- the Yankees' team physician and three outside specialists. "We've gotten one of three of the diagnosis's in writing back," Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said Friday. "He's waiting for us to tell him what we want him to do based on the diagnosis's." Since the Yankees gave him a $39.95 million, four-year contract before the 2005 season, Pavano is 5-7 in 19 starts, including 1-0 with a 4.76 ERA in two starts this year. He was sidelined from June 27, 2005, until last month by shoulder, back, buttocks, elbow and rib injuries, then began feeling forearm soreness during his second outing, a win at Minnesota on April 9. Pavano to have Tommy John surgery.... http://myespn.go.com/conversation/story?id...amp;section=mlb $40M for 5 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Fact is that the anticipated rotation is Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Clemens and Hughes. Clippard won't have the opportunity unless someone is injured or Mussina goes on the DL with "forearm tendinitis, AKA General Crappitude"). Heck, the way things are going for them it's more like who won't get injured. I'll pick Pettitte to go next, followed by Clemens, then Moose. And I think they're due for another Saturday afternoon injury too. Check the Fox schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Fact is that the anticipated rotation is Wang, Pettitte, Mussina, Clemens and Hughes. Clippard won't have the opportunity unless someone is injured or Mussina goes on the DL with "forearm tendinitis, AKA General Crappitude"). Heck, the way things are going for them it's more like who won't get injured. I'll pick Pettitte to go next, followed by Clemens, then Moose. And I think they're due for another Saturday afternoon injury too. Check the Fox schedule. Actually, I'd reverse that prediction. Moose is next with either a legit injury or a "he's crap and we need to put Clippard in there" pretend injury, then Clemens (either a pulled leg muscle or a neck cramp from watching the best hitters in the world hammer him) then Pettitte will be the final nail in the coffin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulstation1 Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 when will the bosox crash and burn?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) Actually, I'd reverse that prediction. Moose is next with either a legit injury or a "he's crap and we need to put Clippard in there" pretend injury, then Clemens (either a pulled leg muscle or a neck cramp from watching the best hitters in the world hammer him) then Pettitte will be the final nail in the coffin. Very believable. Woo-hoo, I feel like I've just placed a win-place-show bet on the Belmont! (Now watch Wang or Hughes muss it up.) Though the neck cramp crack is funny, I'm going with the good ole groin as the most likely Clemens injury. (Not that your specific injury picks were in order.) Gee, this is almost like entering a "death pool." Edited May 24, 2007 by Quincy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim McG Posted May 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Elijah Dukes looks way scary and intense in the linked picture. $380,000 bucks a year playing in the MLB and he still relates everything from da 'Hood, yo. Five children from four different women. The dude never got out of the ghetto, apperently. What a moron. WTF? You think that $380,000 goes to diction lessons instead of bling? Well, duh. You would think he could conduct himself better then that, fer crissakes....that is a shit-load of money, big guy. Geez, Dan...don't you care at all about the quality of character? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Elijah Dukes looks way scary and intense in the linked picture. $380,000 bucks a year playing in the MLB and he still relates everything from da 'Hood, yo. Five children from four different women. The dude never got out of the ghetto, apperently. What a moron. WTF? You think that $380,000 goes to diction lessons instead of bling? Well, duh. You would think he could conduct himself better then that, fer crissakes....that is a shit-load of money, big guy. Geez, Dan...don't you care at all about the quality of character? The leading and only defender of Barry Bonds is now concerned with character? That is rich. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? That news report didn't offer any evidence that it was Dukes' voice on the recording. It just said "a voice" - doesn't that make it "hearsay"? To answer your question, yes I care about "character". However, I do not believe or expect the minimum major league salary to be used to buy it. You either have it or you don't. Dukes is a 22 year old without it; Bonds is 44 year old without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 (edited) Well, this Yankee fan's opinion is that Roger has no business coming in mid season to the American League at the age of 45. He will most definitely not be a savior. I'm counting on Tyler Clippard (or "T-Clip" as his buddies call him) to be that. Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news Marty but T-Clip didn't exactly have it tonite; DeSalvo brought a gas can to a fire, and Hughes "rolled his ankle" doing agility drills and will get an MRI tomorrow. I can't remember who (either Dayn Perry of Foxsports.com or Rob Neyer of ESPN) but someone deserves a Nostradamus award. There was a live chat during spring training in which he said "this is the year that bad things happen to the Yankee pitching staff." Do you think he had any inkling of just how true that prediction would be? Edited May 26, 2007 by Dan Gould Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 I was just looking at the ballgame scores on ESPN.com and saw this headline for the Angels/Yanks game today.... "Angels jump on Wang early......" My inner 12 year old had a good laugh at that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 I was just looking at the ballgame scores on ESPN.com and saw this headline for the Angels/Yanks game today.... "Angels jump on Wang early......" My inner 12 year old had a good laugh at that one. The FireJoeMorgan.com website had a blog entry about this headline: Yankees' Wang Hit Hard By Rangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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