The Baseball Thread 2007

[Dan Gould]

as much as i loathe contributing to the non-stop AL east fest, papelbon looks fucking crazy just before he pitches. that guy is awesome. I do wonder though if he will flame out gagne-style or go mental brad lidge style. if not, hes gonna be the real deal.

with that said, the season has been pretty cool thus far. I'm particularly happy about the development of adrian gonzalez, and barry bonds homering like crazy (despite how everyone hates him for using steroids, he really is an exciting player to watch. I had the good fortune of seeing Greg Maddux shut him down at Petco a few weeks back)

I think back in Barry's non-steroid days he was exciting to watch....now he bats a few times a game a few days a week, provides very little excitement on the base paths or in field....not really that exciting (to me).

m~

Non-steroids day...?

I wasn't aware there was any proof to that effect.

Do you really need me to go over the proof?

Fact 1:

Barry was a client of Balco, a criminal organization which provided illegal "designer" steroids to its clients.

Fact 2:

Balco offered its clients two steroid products: "the cream" and "the clear"

Fact 3:

Bonds testified that he received and used two Balco products, one was a clear ointment and the other was a cream.

You may want to debate whether Bonds committed perjury, but no one with a brain can deny that Bonds received and used steroids.

He's an embarassment and a fraud.

[Guy Berger]

He's an embarassment and a fraud.

Guy

[Chalupa]

as much as i loathe contributing to the non-stop AL east fest, papelbon looks fucking crazy just before he pitches. that guy is awesome. I do wonder though if he will flame out gagne-style or go mental brad lidge style. if not, hes gonna be the real deal.

with that said, the season has been pretty cool thus far. I'm particularly happy about the development of adrian gonzalez, and barry bonds homering like crazy (despite how everyone hates him for using steroids, he really is an exciting player to watch. I had the good fortune of seeing Greg Maddux shut him down at Petco a few weeks back)

I think back in Barry's non-steroid days he was exciting to watch....now he bats a few times a game a few days a week, provides very little excitement on the base paths or in field....not really that exciting (to me).

m~

Non-steroids day...?

I wasn't aware there was any proof to that effect. Besides, he's 42 years old and with bad knees. Anybody would slow done at that point.

For the record, Bonds was MVP seven times before being accused.

The rumors/accusations date back to at least to 2001, the season he hit 73 dingers.

Check out the photos from his early career and then look at him beginning in '99

http://espn.go.com/mlb/gallery/19379070.html

[donald byrd 4 EVA]

game of shadows pretty much is an open and shut account of barry's juicing.

[Matthew]

Poor Mariner's, another rain out today...

[Big Al]

Poor Mariner's, another rain out today...

Yeah, but in Texas????

[zen archer]

as much as i loathe contributing to the non-stop AL east fest, papelbon looks fucking crazy just before he pitches. that guy is awesome. I do wonder though if he will flame out gagne-style or go mental brad lidge style. if not, hes gonna be the real deal.

with that said, the season has been pretty cool thus far. I'm particularly happy about the development of adrian gonzalez, and barry bonds homering like crazy (despite how everyone hates him for using steroids, he really is an exciting player to watch. I had the good fortune of seeing Greg Maddux shut him down at Petco a few weeks back)

I think back in Barry's non-steroid days he was exciting to watch....now he bats a few times a game a few days a week, provides very little excitement on the base paths or in field....not really that exciting (to me).

m~

Non-steroids day...?

I wasn't aware there was any proof to that effect. Besides, he's 42 years old and with bad knees. Anybody would slow done at that point.

For the record, Bonds was MVP seven times before being accused.

The rumors/accusations date back to at least to 2001, the season he hit 73 dingers.

Check out the photos from his early career and then look at him beginning in '99

http://espn.go.com/mlb/gallery/19379070.html

well them Clemens must of done steroids too cause if you look at early photos of the rocket and now

look at him. He looks triple the size. It's funny how no one sees this ?

[Aggie87]

There's been quite a bit of speculation about Clemens too. Just google "clemens steroids".

[J Larsen]

as much as i loathe contributing to the non-stop AL east fest, papelbon looks fucking crazy just before he pitches. that guy is awesome. I do wonder though if he will flame out gagne-style or go mental brad lidge style. if not, hes gonna be the real deal.

with that said, the season has been pretty cool thus far. I'm particularly happy about the development of adrian gonzalez, and barry bonds homering like crazy (despite how everyone hates him for using steroids, he really is an exciting player to watch. I had the good fortune of seeing Greg Maddux shut him down at Petco a few weeks back)

I think back in Barry's non-steroid days he was exciting to watch....now he bats a few times a game a few days a week, provides very little excitement on the base paths or in field....not really that exciting (to me).

m~

Non-steroids day...?

I wasn't aware there was any proof to that effect. Besides, he's 42 years old and with bad knees. Anybody would slow done at that point.

For the record, Bonds was MVP seven times before being accused.

The rumors/accusations date back to at least to 2001, the season he hit 73 dingers.

Check out the photos from his early career and then look at him beginning in '99

http://espn.go.com/mlb/gallery/19379070.html

well them Clemens must of done steroids too cause if you look at early photos of the rocket and now

look at him. He looks triple the size. It's funny how no one sees this ?

No one sees it????? DUDE, I barely follow sports anymore and I've been hearing stuff about Clemens juicing for years!

[sheldonm]

as much as i loathe contributing to the non-stop AL east fest, papelbon looks fucking crazy just before he pitches. that guy is awesome. I do wonder though if he will flame out gagne-style or go mental brad lidge style. if not, hes gonna be the real deal.

with that said, the season has been pretty cool thus far. I'm particularly happy about the development of adrian gonzalez, and barry bonds homering like crazy (despite how everyone hates him for using steroids, he really is an exciting player to watch. I had the good fortune of seeing Greg Maddux shut him down at Petco a few weeks back)

I think back in Barry's non-steroid days he was exciting to watch....now he bats a few times a game a few days a week, provides very little excitement on the base paths or in field....not really that exciting (to me).

m~

Non-steroids day...?

I wasn't aware there was any proof to that effect. Besides, he's 42 years old and with bad knees. Anybody would slow done at that point.

For the record, Bonds was MVP seven times before being accused.

My point is that he is (currently) not exciting to watch, not that he is 42 with bad knees....a blind man can see that...(no offense to any of you that are blind). I would agree he was exciting to watch at one time....that time is no longer (to me). There are too many good, young (and old) players playing today to get excitied watching Barry. You will have as many people (or more) dissapointed when he breaks the record than will give a sh*t.

m~

[Guy Berger]

I'm really looking forward to the day that Bonds destroys Aaron's old record. All those heads exploding...

Guy

[zen archer]

as much as i loathe contributing to the non-stop AL east fest, papelbon looks fucking crazy just before he pitches. that guy is awesome. I do wonder though if he will flame out gagne-style or go mental brad lidge style. if not, hes gonna be the real deal.

with that said, the season has been pretty cool thus far. I'm particularly happy about the development of adrian gonzalez, and barry bonds homering like crazy (despite how everyone hates him for using steroids, he really is an exciting player to watch. I had the good fortune of seeing Greg Maddux shut him down at Petco a few weeks back)

I think back in Barry's non-steroid days he was exciting to watch....now he bats a few times a game a few days a week, provides very little excitement on the base paths or in field....not really that exciting (to me).

m~

Non-steroids day...?

I wasn't aware there was any proof to that effect. Besides, he's 42 years old and with bad knees. Anybody would slow done at that point.

For the record, Bonds was MVP seven times before being accused.

The rumors/accusations date back to at least to 2001, the season he hit 73 dingers.

Check out the photos from his early career and then look at him beginning in '99

http://espn.go.com/mlb/gallery/19379070.html

well them Clemens must of done steroids too cause if you look at early photos of the rocket and now

look at him. He looks triple the size. It's funny how no one sees this ?

No one sees it????? DUDE, I barely follow sports anymore and I've been hearing stuff about Clemens juicing for years!

Well to be honest here in Boston they really don't talk much about Clemens on the juice ...you never hear it.

in fact tomorrow i'am shooting with a client who just loves Clemens i can't say a bad word about him.

Here in Boston on sports radio it's Bonds ,Sosa, McGuire.....never Clemens or Nomar.

[donald byrd 4 EVA]

clemens is for sure a juicer. he swelled up just like bonds

[donald byrd 4 EVA]

I am curious as to whether there were allegations of steroid use surrounding randy johnson. I watched him pitch against david wells today, and while he wasnt particularly sharp, he still has a lively fastball. that guy is so freaky looking

[Soulstation1]

the tribe slapped around santana last night

[J Larsen]

I think Sangrey is juicing. No way you can get to 22,000+ posts by natural means.

[Guy Berger]

I think Sangrey is juicing. No way you can get to 22,000+ posts by natural means.

CLASSIC!!!

[BERIGAN]

I think Sangrey is juicing. No way you can get to 22,000+ posts by natural means.

Perhaps Jim is a twin....or a triplet!

[BERIGAN]

So, any guesses to who has the most 2 out RBI's in the NL season? If you guessed Francoeur, you are smart! And who has 71 since the beginning of last season best in the majors? If you guessed Francoeur again, you are really smart! He can look so very bad at times, but he is walking much more this year, and when the game is on the line, look out!

Edited April 26, 2007 by BERIGAN

[Chalupa]

I think Sangrey is juicing. No way you can get to 22,000+ posts by natural means.

Early contender for 2007 "post of the year" award.

[PHILLYQ]

Yankees had good night tonight- RAIN!!!

[Chalupa]

Prior out for season after shoulder surgery

Associated Press

CHICAGO -- Mark Prior is out for the rest of the season. His once promising future with the Chicago Cubs is unclear, although surgery on his right shoulder is not considered career-threatening.

Dr. James Andrews operated on the 26-year-old right-hander Tuesday in an arthroscopic procedure in which he also worked on Prior's rotator cuff.

"Dr. Andrews feels comfortable that he will still have a career. This is certainly not career-ending," Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday. "He felt optimistic that he would be able to pitch next year. ... At his age, he should not have a problem responding and coming back after a strenuous rehab."

Prior has been beset by injuries since his first full season in the majors in 2003. He went on the disabled list three times last year and started this season at Triple-A Iowa.

"It's best for him. He had some physical problems and now they've been taken care of. I don't think he was going to be able to pitch this way," Cubs manager Lou Piniella said after Wednesday's 9-3 win over the Brewers.

"In a way, I'm happy for the guy because he'll get well now and get strong and he can resume his career without the problems that he had. A lot of pitchers have this type of surgery and bounce back and have very productive careers. So let's hope that's the same in Mark's case."

The injury was the latest problem for the struggling team. The Cubs, who have not reached the World Series since 1945, made many major changes in the offseason. After beating Milwaukee they were 8-13 and last in the NL Central.

Kerry Wood, who teamed with Prior to nearly pitch the Cubs to the NL pennant in 2003, is back on the disabled list with tendinitis in his right shoulder. Wood has not pitched since a spring training appearance March 25, when his arm felt weak and then stiffened up the next day, and Hendry said Wood might resume throwing this week.

According to a team statement, Andrews performed a debridement of Prior's rotator cuff and repaired labral and capsular injuries in the shoulder.

"It stayed in the arthroscopic stage. But I think he had some touch up work in a lot of places," Hendry said. "But at the same time there didn't seem to be anything so significant that it would require more than the scope. It didn't have to be opened up and have extensive surgery."

The Cubs were hoping Prior could rebound this season and compete for their fifth starter's spot that eventually went to Wade Miller. On the day after he was optioned to the minors late in spring training, Prior was convinced he could still get major league hitters out.

"You don't know where your crossroads in your career are until probably after your career is done," he said at the time.

Prior had hoped to start the season with the Cubs.

"There's no reason to ever think that he didn't want to pitch. He was certainly disappointed when he didn't make the ballclub this year and felt like he was good enough to make it," Hendry said.

"He wasn't quite his old self, but he felt that he was on the way. There were no complaints in spring training at all about discomfort or sharp pain. He certainly wouldn't have been pitching if he had."

Prior is 42-29 with a 3.51 ERA in the majors. He took a slight pay cut this season, from $3.65 million to $3,575,000.

Prior finished third in NL Cy Young Award voting in 2003, when he was 18-6 with a 2.43 ERA and struck out 245 in 211 1/3 innings. That October, he was on the mound for Game 6 of the NL Championship Series against Florida with the Cubs leading the series 3-2.

Chicago held a three-run lead in the eighth inning before the Marlins, helped by fan interference on a foul ball at Wrigley Field, rallied to win. Florida also won Game 7 and then won the World Series.

[donald byrd 4 EVA]

Dr. James Andrews performs every MLB surgery, or so it seems.

[donald byrd 4 EVA]

peavy vs. webb 2-nite

[Tim McG]

I think back in Barry's non-steroid days he was exciting to watch....now he bats a few times a game a few days a week, provides very little excitement on the base paths or in field....not really that exciting (to me).

m~

Non-steroids day...?

I wasn't aware there was any proof to that effect. Besides, he's 42 years old and with bad knees. Anybody would slow done at that point.

And their foot size would go from 10 1/2 to 13, and hat size increase despite the loss of hair. Rather than just 'roids, HGH is the factor here.

Yes I agree, pre-pharmacology Bonds was a more exciting player due to a deadly power & speed blend.

I've lost hair....gained weight, too.

And my hat size has gone from 7 1/2 to 7 3/4.

My ex-wife would rat my ass out for any reason.

Does this mean I'm on HGH's or steroids?