overrated jazzmen

[alocispepraluger102]

howard rumsey

charlie gayle

chester baker

Edited February 22, 2007 by alocispepraluger102

[mikelz777]

Who's Chester Baker?

[king ubu]

Herbie Nichols

Thelonious Monk

Duke Ellington

Louis Armstrong

Jelly Roll

been there, done that...

and I don't think Rumsey's overrated, he's mostly just referred to as an organizer, not as a musician (though I do like some of those Contemporary discs quite a lot, but never because of his presence... he just happens to play unintrusive bass on them...)

[king ubu]

Who's Chester Baker?

Chesney?

[Niko]

Chesney Baker is actually an interesting example of over/underrated because if you forget about the fuss they made around him in the 1950s (which is easy to do after all this time) and look at more recent times or at the opinions on this board (which is actually pretty close to the jazz public today, ok, most are more or less well-informed, many have to do with jazz professionally but what else is there...) then I'd say Chet Baker is either underrated or correctly rated (Kenny G is a more extreme example of such an artist) and indeed there are people here and there which say that he is better than his reputation, that the excellent ones among his later European recordings are overlooked... (typical signs of an underrated artist)

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Does it matter more if a jazz musician is underrated or overrated?

I think fewer people are likely to hear of a musician who's underrated than one who's overrated and this prevents some people from exercising their judgement.

But I also suspect that more people are liable to acept as gospel the overrating of a musician and this also prevents some people from exercising their judgement.

But at least they know their names.

MG

[John L]

So who is going to start the parallel thread about overrated jazzwomen?

Then we turn to overrated jazz albums, jazz books, jazz concerts, jazz tunes, jazz arrangements, jazz BBSs.

Then we can shut down the board, go home, and listen to Mozart.

[bertrand]

Mozart is way overrated

Bertrand.

P.S. The person in my avatar would definitely not agree!

Edited February 22, 2007 by bertrand

[porcy62]

Wich Mozart?

Sonny Mozart the bass player or Chuck Mozart the trumpeter?

[AllenLowe]

actually, it's Mo Mozart, the guy who owned the deli across from the old Half Note -

[porcy62]

actually, it's Mo Mozart, the guy who owned the deli across from the old Half Note -

Ach so, in this case I disagree with Bertrand, great food and cheap prices.

[montg]

Chesney Baker is actually an interesting example of over/underrated because if you forget about the fuss they made around him in the 1950s (which is easy to do after all this time) and look at more recent times or at the opinions on this board (which is actually pretty close to the jazz public today, ok, most are more or less well-informed, many have to do with jazz professionally but what else is there...) then I'd say Chet Baker is either underrated or correctly rated (Kenny G is a more extreme example of such an artist) and indeed there are people here and there which say that he is better than his reputation, that the excellent ones among his later European recordings are overlooked... (typical signs of an underrated artist)

When my only real exposure to Chesney was his vocal stuff for Pacific, I thought he was overrated as a trumpet player. When I heard his playing on the earliest quartets with Mulligan, I then thought he was underrated. He shows plenty of chops in those Mulligan sessions, imo

[alocispepraluger102]

Herbie Nichols

Thelonious Monk

Duke Ellington

Louis Armstrong

Jelly Roll

been there, done that...

and I don't think Rumsey's overrated, he's mostly just referred to as an organizer, not as a musician (though I do like some of those Contemporary discs quite a lot, but never because of his presence... he just happens to play unintrusive bass on them...)

fine point.

[robviti]

this thread should be retitled jazz artists that i don't like as much as other people do, then we can have the same old arguments between those that do and those that don't.

what i'd like to see are recommendations about artists i've never heard of.

hmm, i think i'll start my own thread!

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

what i'd like to see are recommendations about artists i've never heard of.

So tell us who you haven't heard of.

MG