king ubu Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Pratt, right (as opposed to the usual drummer of that group, Chuck Flores). Please check again, I was pretty sure he was on a cut or two! If not my memory is playing bad tricks with me... Too bad I can't locate my own copy (but the original CD is my dad's - he live in SA in the late 60s, but had no interest in jazz back then, or not that much, as far as I know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Alright, I kicked my lazy ass and did a tiny bit of googling: Jürgen Schadeberg (born 1931) is the photographer I was referring to. Here's a nice page with a few photos: http://galerie-herrmann.com/arts/schadeberg/index_eng.htm There's one jazz related photo there, titled "The Three Jazzolomos": And one more, Dolly Rathebe at the opening of that exhibition, in front of her portrait: And here's his homepage, with contact detail: http://www.jurgenschadeberg.com/ It has many of his photographs, including a page of beautiful jazz photos, check it out! He might indeed be interesting to talk to on this subject! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 This is one of my favourites: Miriam Makeba 1955 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 There are more interesting/jazz-related photos on the other photo pages (50s): Kippie unknown trombone player in Sophiatown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 This is one of my favourites: Miriam Makeba 1955 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted February 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Good going, ubu. Here's a picture identified as Mackay Davashe: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Davashe's Dream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted February 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 For all we know, it's what he's working on there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 There are more interesting/jazz-related photos on the other photo pages (50s): Kippie unknown trombone player in Sophiatown God! That picture of Kippie brings back so many memories ... Thanks for posting these UBU ... they are a real find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Just got a few releases that may appeal to the folks here: Hugh Masekela's Union of South Africa (w/Jonas Gwangwa)--a poppy, funk-jazz affair with a few well-placed fireworks. It's fun listening to these more rockish affairs and hearing the stylistic congruities (close harmonies, diatonic melodies, aggressive, expressive soloing) with the other strains of SA music. I like this one. Also up to bat are Zim Ngqawana's Vadzimu and (finally tracking it down...) Mike Osborne's Border Crossing/Marcel's Muse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Just got a few releases that may appeal to the folks here: Hugh Masekela's Union of South Africa (w/Jonas Gwangwa)--a poppy, funk-jazz affair with a few well-placed fireworks. It's fun listening to these more rockish affairs and hearing the stylistic congruities (close harmonies, diatonic melodies, aggressive, expressive soloing) with the other strains of SA music. I like this one. Also up to bat are Zim Ngqawana's Vadzimu and (finally tracking it down...) Mike Osborne's Border Crossing/Marcel's Muse. Epistrophy .. what is the title of your thesis, and where are you doing it? Thanks .. Garth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 (edited) To cool this down a bit, the thesis work at this point is prospective. I recently completed an Ayler/AACM thesis at Berkeley that almost--but due to several unfortunate factors--included a third section on the Europe/Blue Notes axis, but it's more foundational than anything else. If my scholarly work indeed gets underway, then I'll have something more concrete in a month or two... Here's hoping, as there aren't too many places that would accomodate research of the focus I'm aiming toward (i.e., centered on the improvisational factor in SA jazz as a coequal to sociological/historical elements). We'll see (thanks for the interest, though)... Edited February 25, 2007 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsj Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 To cool this down a bit, the thesis work at this point is prospective. I recently completed an Ayler/AACM thesis at Berkeley that almost--but due to several unfortunate factors--included a third section on the Europe/Blue Notes axis, but it's more foundational than anything else. If my scholarly work indeed gets underway, then I'll have something more concrete in a month or two... Here's hoping, as there aren't too many places that would accomodate research of the focus I'm aiming toward (i.e., centered on the improvisational factor in SA jazz as a coequal to sociological/historical elements). We'll see (thanks for the interest, though)... Well, having suffered through the thesis topic issue myself many years ago (I eventually wrote about the social impact of the movies in America), if I can provide any information about South Africa in the period before 1958 (when I left) don't hesitate to ask ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted February 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Much appreciated, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Wow, that's a great pic of Kippie, UBU! I was in Jo'burg 1972-1976, and I played with a lot of the guys there, including Kippie. Even with the heavy dude goverment of the day, there was a very healthy jazz scene in S.A. then, and we just played with anyone of any color. I didn't give a **** what anyone thought! Nothing actually happened, apart from an occasional comment from the Suid Afrikaanse Polisie. We were also swimming in dagga, which carried a 5 year rap, but they never bothered us about that either. Used to get it from Maseru, Lesotho when I was down there - I filled in for a friend there in the band at the Holiday Inn. Thanks for starting the thread. Will check the Kippie thread, now, as I posted a few memories about S.A. jazz on this board awhile back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted March 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) Hey, thanks for showing up! I have tremendous respect (and envy) for those among us who managed to get in with Kippie somehow. I'd like to hear more of your recollections... (especially as you were there right to the year of the Soweto student strikes--things got worse, no?) Edited March 5, 2007 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Yo, Dude! I looked at the Kippie thread again (it goes back a couple of years) and I posted pretty much all I could think of there. Totsiens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Man Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I don't know whether this has been covered elsewhere on the Board but the first two recordings by Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath have just been reissued on the Fled'gling Label. Apparently they have been remastered and sound terrific. Although the recordings have been available 'officially' and 'unoffically' for some time now it will be great to hear this wonderful, joyful music in all its glory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted March 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I was just listening to Brotherhood today--beautiful, beautiful stuff. It's one of those albums that my mind refuses to tire to. (It could act as a cross section of this camp of musicians--a mbaqanga tune, a blowout piece in free time, a knotty post-bop piece, a melee in triple meter, a breakneck march--everything's here, everyone is featured in some capacity.) And I finally got my hands on the Harry Miller box (it's in the mail). I'm excited, to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I still wasn't able to locate that Miller box Garth, I finally was able to check the jazz & jive disc ("Drum - South African Jazz & Jive 1954-60", Line Records, MSCD 9.01092 O, in case anyone wants the exact info), and Jimmy Pratt is the leader (with Lemmy Special & Miriam Makeba) of "Rockin' in Rhythm" (#12). The back of the booklet features a photo of Pratt's at a 1958 session with Kippie and General Duze (guitar) and unknown musicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I was just listening to Brotherhood today--beautiful, beautiful stuff. It's one of those albums that my mind refuses to tire to. (It could act as a cross section of this camp of musicians--a mbaqanga tune, a blowout piece in free time, a knotty post-bop piece, a melee in triple meter, a breakneck march--everything's here, everyone is featured in some capacity.) And I finally got my hands on the Harry Miller box (it's in the mail). I'm excited, to say the least. It's great...Han playing Kwela...Breuker and Watts going at it full tilt...Radu playing notes(!)...Keith Tippett and Louis Moholo tearing it up on 'Family Affair'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Hawkins Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I still wasn't able to locate that Miller box Try here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indestructible! Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I don't know whether this has been covered elsewhere on the Board but the first two recordings by Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath have just been reissued on the Fled'gling Label. Apparently they have been remastered and sound terrific. Although the recordings have been available 'officially' and 'unoffically' for some time now it will be great to hear this wonderful, joyful music in all its glory! Head Man, Let me say thank you, thank you, thank you for your willingness to "share" your information on this! I just finished listening to both Brotherhood of Breath albums, and they are GREAT! I'm really digging Dudu's playing on these! You really are the top demon! Cheers, Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 (edited) Message to folks--Downtown Music Gallery has supposedly "last copies" of the Harry Miller box, sans slipcase, on sale for the fairly high price of $65. Mine arrived in the mail, and it's well worth it (as an indulgence, yes, but I'm loving every minute of it). Edited March 7, 2007 by ep1str0phy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ep1str0phy Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Listening to Down South now, and--being a tremendous Moholo fan, used to hearing him as the drummer in these contexts--Bennink does a terrific job. I think it's just the right measure of Dutch unruliness to transform an already creative mbaqanga groove into something truly off-the-wall. Bennink isn't just a drummer--he's a true percussionist (and it's a testament to the power of the SAs that the "international community" on these Miller recordings sounds so whole, so organic). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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