Wynton and Women article

[Simon Weil]

I think last summer I mentioned I was writing an article on the above topic. It now appears at:

Wynton and Women

It's been buried off in a corner unfortunately.

Simon Weil

[fasstrack]

I think last summer I mentioned I was writing an article on the above topic. It now appears at:

Wynton and Women

It's been buried off in a corner unfortunately.

Simon Weil

Uh oh. UH OH

Um, lemme go get my flak jacket and riot gear

[Dan Gould]

You have been working on this since last summer?

Then I suggest you hire an editor or try to proof read some time. There are too many typos to count.

Number two, you are hung up on this word "hermaphodite" because it fits into your gender thesis when the fact is that Wynton's point is something entirely different:

Fusion, jazz-rock, is STERILE, like a hermaphrodite. He isn't speaking of anything but STERILITY.

Sterile, as in nothing can come after it because it can't produce anything.

Try replacing "hermaphrodite" with "sterile" everywhere it appears aside from the initial quote, and see what you've got:

Nothing.

[AllenLowe]

ah, yes, the usual gracious and constructive Dan Gould post -

good article, by the way -

[sal]

I thought the article was an interesting read.

And unless there's something personal going on that I don't know about, I really don't see the point of Dan's seemingly out-of-nowhere assault on Simon's work.

[AllenLowe]

there is no point -

[Hot Ptah]

Interesting analysis. Apart from the content of this particular line of thought, I think that it is representative of Wynton's tendency to take small bits of information or opinion, and blow them up into widespread generalizations about music and life, far beyond anything that the original small bits can support.

If not for his status with the national media, it would be an odd little quirk, buried in passages in things nobody pays a lot of attention to, like CD liner notes and jazz magazine articles.

[Simon Weil]

Interesting analysis. Apart from the content of this particular line of thought, I think that it is representative of Wynton's tendency to take small bits of information or opinion, and blow them up into widespread generalizations about music and life, far beyond anything that the original small bits can support.

If not for his status with the national media, it would be an odd little quirk, buried in passages in things nobody pays a lot of attention to, like CD liner notes and jazz magazine articles.

Yeah, I agree with that - wholeheartedly. Generally - Thanks for the positive response, guys.

Simon Weil

[7/4]

I thought it was an interesting article.

[Hot Ptah]

Who are the male jazz musicians who wore dresses in the 1970s and/or 1980s? Who is Wynton talking about? I am not aware of that happening at all. Did it?

[brownie]

Who are the male jazz musicians who wore dresses in the 1970s and/or 1980s? Who is Wynton talking about? I am not aware of that happening at all. Did it?

I remember Dizzy Gillespie sporting one!

Also:

Yusef Lateef:

Randy Weston:

[mikeweil]

More proof of Wynton's obsession to comment on everything ......

[jazzbo]

I at least got a good chuckle out of the thread, but I have to say (and no offense meant Simon) the article did nothing for me, and I wondered why it was written and "published!" Just seemed . . . missable. No point in it being out there. (Like lots of stuff on AAJ, to me). Unless one just has to pound on Wynton some more because one hasn't yet done it enough.

Edited January 30, 2007 by jazzbo

[Simon Weil]

I at least got a good chuckle out of the thread, but I have to say (and no offense meant Simon) the article did nothing for me, and I wondered why it was written and "published!" Just seemed . . . missable. No point in it being out there. (Like lots of stuff on AAJ, to me). Unless one just has to pound on Wynton some more because one hasn't yet done it enough.

Well, the original intent was to help women in Jazz. Because I know a lot about Wynton, I took that route - feeling that, as a symbol, he articulated a lot of what is wrong with women's treatment in Jazz. If I had wanted to pound Wynton, there are quotes I could have have used and didn't (and won't use now).

Purely destructive quotes.

Simon Weil

[jazzbo]

Okay. I'll take your word for it.

Edited January 30, 2007 by jazzbo

[AllenLowe]

well, Sangrey used to wear a mini-skirt in the late 1960s -

I tried a shift, but was tired of the audience always undressing me with their eyes -

[bertrand]

'We are an EEOC dream, in terms of our staff, our board, our band, our makeup, our equality'.

This a profoundly moronic statement.

Bertrand.