jazzhound Posted January 19, 2007 Report Posted January 19, 2007 some Blue Note covers are referred to as kabuki or some word like that . anyone know what that means ? Quote
Chas Posted January 20, 2007 Report Posted January 20, 2007 I used to think that Kakabuchi (sp.?) referred to the way the cover slicks were applied . The front slick extended a half inch or so onto the backing cardboard , with a smaller back slick applied over it in such a way that it is framed on three sides by the front slick . I soon realized however , that since almost all Blue Notes except the LTs ( which don't have slicks ) have this , kakabuchi couldn't be used to date pressings if it meant what I thought it did . Wait a minute . I just realized I'm discussing not cover tunes , not cover art , but cover construction . You never think you'll turn into one of those people until............... you do ! You're all enablers ! Quote
michel1969 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Posted January 20, 2007 "Kakubuchi" means the cardboard frame that appears on two sides (up and spine) under the paper on early covers like Blue Notes or Atlantic (on Atlantic on the three sides except opening). Like the flat edge "Kakubuchi cover" Blue Notes attracts premium prices, as it is seen as very first press/ cover. Very first 1500 have the kakubuchi orginally, and last kakubuchi is around 1547/1548/1549. Quote
Chas Posted January 20, 2007 Report Posted January 20, 2007 O.K. after spending some time scrutinizing some old records I discovered my error . I was looking at the wrong side ! It's the FRONT cover that has the frame lines , which as Michel noted are found on the top and along the spine of early Blue Notes . This is not caused by overlapping slicks as on the back , but appears to be a rise in the underlying cardboard . Now I fear that someone here might tell us why the cardboard has this feature , or more frightening still , that I might care Quote
michel1969 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Posted January 20, 2007 Yes "kakubuchi" is on the front cover I forgot to meantion that 10' too have the kakubuchi. And early Prestige, too. I imagine that the reinforced carboard was made in purpose of protecting the record, but in fact, Kakubuchi cover can easily be seam splitted, because the heavy vinyl "push" on the fragile side (bottom) that has no reinforcement, and to remove the record many times eventually destroy the bottom seam. In other words, technically speaking, Kakubuchi obviously had to be improved...Then came the "non kakubuchi", and later, the laminated covers... Quote
jazzhound Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Posted January 23, 2007 Yes "kakubuchi" is on the front cover I forgot to meantion that 10' too have the kakubuchi. And early Prestige, too. I imagine that the reinforced carboard was made in purpose of protecting the record, but in fact, Kakubuchi cover can easily be seam splitted, because the heavy vinyl "push" on the fragile side (bottom) that has no reinforcement, and to remove the record many times eventually destroy the bottom seam. In other words, technically speaking, Kakubuchi obviously had to be improved...Then came the "non kakubuchi", and later, the laminated covers... what was the first blue note to have lamiated cover? I recently bought1508 and was surprised that it wasn't laminated. Quote
michel1969 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 1508 is a very early release. I has normally no laminated cover. I think the first laminated are around 1547/1548/1549. From 1549 to 4156 you have beautiful and very protective lamination, with some overlappings. In fact, the very last laminated cover was 4156, but there are non laminated cover before this number : 4113, 4118 (later release) 4137, 4139, 4146, 4147, 4150, 4151, 4152, 4153, 4154, 4155 are original non laminated cover. Quote
brownie Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 My copy of Paul Chambers 'Whims of Chambers' (1534) has a laminated cover, Lexington adresses on label and back cover! Other early BN of the 1500s series I have are not laminated. Quote
michel1969 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 My copy of Paul Chambers 'Whims of Chambers' (1534) has a laminated cover, Lexington adresses on label and back cover! Other early BN of the 1500s series I have are not laminated. Yes, absolutely. I've heard about laminated 1534. Very interesting. Or maybe yours Brownie is very very mint and looks like laminated ? It happens. Is your 1534 Flat edge ? Quote
brownie Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Yes, absolutely. I've heard about laminated 1534. Very interesting. Or maybe yours Brownie is very very mint and looks like laminated ? It happens. Is your 1534 Flat edge ? For all I know, mint means unplayed. That's not the case for my copy which has been played pretty often to my utter satisfaction. It's in very, very good condition! It looks very laminated to me, also! And it's not a flat edge one. Quote
michel1969 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 Yes, absolutely. I've heard about laminated 1534. Very interesting. Or maybe yours Brownie is very very mint and looks like laminated ? It happens. Is your 1534 Flat edge ? For all I know, mint means unplayed. That's not the case for my copy which has been played pretty often to my utter satisfaction. It's in very, very good condition! It looks very laminated to me, also! And it's not a flat edge one. Its very interesting. I've discussed with another collector about laminated cover on 1534. But we where talking about 1534 with mixed w63rd / lex labels. If yours has a lamination and all Lex and no flat it means it is a very early repress (as for example 1541, lex, no flat no kakubuchi, BUT laminated cover. I have never seen that. Must be very rare. Quote
Peter A Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 "Kakubuchi" means the cardboard frame that appears on two sides (up and spine) under the paper on early covers like Blue Notes or Atlantic (on Atlantic on the three sides except opening). Like the flat edge "Kakubuchi cover" Blue Notes attracts premium prices, as it is seen as very first press/ cover. Very first 1500 have the kakubuchi orginally, and last kakubuchi is around 1547/1548/1549. Wailing with Lou (1545) was the last BN LP issued with kakubuchi cover: The next title, BLP 1546 (The Magnificent Thad Jones, Vol. 3), has an new type of cover: unlaminated with a "bump" (reinforcement in the middle of the top seam). Some slightly later reissues of earlier titles, for instance Introducing Johnny Griffin (1533), J.R. Monterose (1536) and Lee Morgan Indeed (1538), also have this type of cover. For some reason Jutta Hipp Vol. 2 (BLP 1516) was never released with kakubuchi cover, but only with laminated "bump" cover. First issue laminated jackets start with 1547 (Date with Jimmy Smith, Vol. 1). Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 As heard on BN 1601... Quote
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