archie shepp-kwanza

[Guest the mommy]

if i own the CD reissue of "the way ahead" there is no reason to purchase "kwanza", is there?

i would get like 10 minutes of music?

or am i wrong?

and why did they choose to reissue this album if most of it is already out on CD and so much other stuff isn't?

or am i totally wrong here...

[rostasi]

Well, you do get another 20 minutes or so.

...and you get the wonderful Slow Drag,

but that's totally your call on it - find it cheepy and give it a try.

I was listening to this today on my way to the grocers and lunch.

The drumming felt a little disjointed (in a bad way),

but it could've been not a good disc to listen to during driving.

Edited January 17, 2007 by rostasi

[ep1str0phy]

I'm just wondering where this reissue came from. Not a part of the LP Reproduction series, apparently (it comes in a jewel case--now when was the last time you saw an Impulse album reissue in a jewel case? The only one we've had since the digipack onslaught has been the recent A Love Supreme single, IIRC...). Did Impulse just figure that this one would make bank?

Edited January 17, 2007 by ep1str0phy

[felser]

I'm just wondering where this reissue came from. Not a part of the LP Reproduction series, apparently (it comes in a jewel case--now when was the last time you saw an Impulse album reissue in a jewel case? The only one we've had since the digipack onslaught has been the recent A Love Supreme single, IIRC...). Did Impulse just figure that this one would make bank?

And why this one, which was a collection of outtakes (good as some of them are) when originally issued, instead of 'For Losers' or 'Things Have Got To Change'?

[Head Man]

I'm just wondering where this reissue came from. Not a part of the LP Reproduction series, apparently (it comes in a jewel case--now when was the last time you saw an Impulse album reissue in a jewel case? The only one we've had since the digipack onslaught has been the recent A Love Supreme single, IIRC...). Did Impulse just figure that this one would make bank?

And why this one, which was a collection of outtakes (good as some of them are) when originally issued, instead of 'For Losers' or 'Things Have Got To Change'?

Let's hope the person responsible got 'downsized'.

Edited January 17, 2007 by Head Man

[John L]

"For Losers" and "Things Have Got to Change" have been made available as vault reissues, I believe.

They are available at iTunes. But I avoid downloading from iTunes due to the copy control bullshit that limits transferability to other computers. Is there any other way of obtaining the Verve/Impulse vault releases?

[jazzbo]

Felser won't do downloads, though these are really good ones.

John. . . I don't understand. . . can't you authorize another computer to play your purchases? I've autorized another one of mine (both Macs, maybe that's a factor?) And can't you burn a cd and import to something else? Seems I've done that.

[John L]

Felser won't do downloads, though these are really good ones.

John. . . I don't understand. . . can't you authorize another computer to play your purchases? I've autorized another one of mine (both Macs, maybe that's a factor?) And can't you burn a cd and import to something else? Seems I've done that.

Lon: Supposedly, you are allowed to authorize up to 5 computers. So what happens when you go through your fifth? Do you lose the music? Yes, burning and ripping most likely works. Yet there will be a sonic loss involved.

There are also limits to transferability that I don't completely understand. For example, no matter what I do, I can't get my daughters iTunes to handle MP3s that I bought from iTunes. Apparently, since her iTunes is in her name, it won't allow transferability at all, not even with my authorization. All other MP3s work fine.

Maybe it is more psychological than anything else. I don't want Big Brother controlling the music that I buy. I am also worried that new generations of computers might not be compatible with the computer-specific restriction technology that Apple is currently using.

Oh, and I can't even get my own iTunes Store bought files on my own computer to play on any media software other than iTunes. That also causes problems for me since my iTunes is very large. Loading and unloading it takes a lot of time.

Edited January 17, 2007 by John L

[jazzbo]

It's just trying to protect copyright. . . I understand I guess unconciously and it doesn't bother me.

I've noticed NO degradation at all by ripping and importing. None.

[king ubu]

All LPRs have turned into jewel case reissues quite some time ago over here (the first I remember include Psychicemotus, Gato 4, as well as as White and a Sanders from the same batch of "LPRs")

[jazzbo]

Thanks for starting this thread about the Shepp cd. I'd missed its release. I just ordered (ouch, it was expensive).

[JSngry]

For Losers on CD

[Kyo]

if i own the CD reissue of "the way ahead" there is no reason to purchase "kwanza", is there?

i would get like 10 minutes of music?

or am i wrong?

and why did they choose to reissue this album if most of it is already out on CD and so much other stuff isn't?

or am i totally wrong here...

Yeah, this bugs me as well. I got Kwanza cheap, but still... Why couldn't they just release For Losers with the missing tracks from Kwanza added? I don't even think this was a deliberate decision to annoy CD buyers, seems more like pure stupidity and lack of a larger reissue concept these days. Too bad!

[Guest the mommy]

right. i mean they barely reissue anything on CD these days and when they do it is this random shepp whch has 70 percent already been issued on CD.

[ep1str0phy]

All LPRs have turned into jewel case reissues quite some time ago over here (the first I remember include Psychicemotus, Gato 4, as well as as White and a Sanders from the same batch of "LPRs")

Damn, really? They're still LPRs over here. Could this mean that the copies of Kwanza we're getting are imports? (speculation, of course.)

[DMP]

Our only hope is Lonehill's "The Complete Ed Michael Archie Shepp-Lalo Schifrin Sessions."

[ep1str0phy]

Archie Shepp, incidentally, does not play on the album.

[jazzbo]

I think all those in the batch with Raney, Roberts. . . are jewel case.

[clifford_thornton]

No problem with this Shepp, but I think they could've done a service and reissued Ju-Ju domestically...

[Kyo]

No problem with this Shepp, but I think they could've done a service and reissued Ju-Ju domestically...

The jewelcase edition of the Japanese import is available at a very low price these days.

[JSngry]

Why couldn't they just release For Losers with the missing tracks from Kwanza added?

As a long-time fan/advocate of For Losers, I actually happy they didn't. That album holds up very well on its own as a "concept album", and the outtakes, while decent enough, are nowhere near as successful, either as individual performances or as contributors to the concept vibe of the album as released.

[Guest the mommy]

oh is kwanza outtakes from for losers and the way ahead? short tunes from for losers and longer tunes from the way ahead or something like that? for losers also sounds like it has outtakes since it is, to me, patchy.

[clifford_thornton]

No problem with this Shepp, but I think they could've done a service and reissued Ju-Ju domestically...

The jewelcase edition of the Japanese import is available at a very low price these days.

Hmm. When I've seen it, it's been in the $30-$40 range. More than what I paid for my vinyl copy, in fact.

[JSngry]

Much more than I paid for mine too.

Then again, almost anything is more than $1.99 out of a cuttout bin...

[clifford_thornton]

Much more than I paid for mine too.

Then again, almost anything is more than $1.99 out of a cuttout bin...

Sad but true...

Such is the price an obsessive geek pays to survive!