jazzbo Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 12 pages of conversation elsewhere: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/bob-dylans-new-album-shadows-in-the-night.367525/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Garrett Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Many are going to hate this new album (many without even listening to more than a few seconds here and there). I'm very interested to hear it, I think it will hold some fascinating moments. I'm not a Sinatra fan, but I am a Dylan fan and will enjoy hearing his interpretation of these songs. I'm interested in this one as well. I'm both a Sinatra fan and a Dylan fan, but in my experience a lot of hardcore Sinatra fans seem to really dislike Dylan much more than Dylan fans seem to dislike Sinatra. I haven't been able to get motivated to check out the ongoing thread at the Hoffman forums yet, but there have already been negative comments about Dylan on the Sinatraphiles mailing list, solely in response to the album's announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Stay With Me, from the new album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 I probably will not be getting it. His voice is simply a turn-off at this point. Sinatra's voice was also shot in his last decade, and unpleasant to listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Interview with Dylan in AARP Magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 That's something that I wouldn't have imagined, but it was an interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Has anyone mentioned he is sending 50,000 copies to AARP members? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jazzbo Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 Review http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/bob-dylan/11366536/Bob-Dylan-Shadows-in-The-Night-review-extraordinary.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I saw Sinatra once. Must have been in the early '90's, at Carnegie Hall. He was backed by a 40-piece orchestra and a 40-piece string section. I didn't have much money at the time, but knew I had to see this. Got a ticket in the very last row of the top balcony. It was great. Was Frank's voice shot? Yup. It was interesting, though, that he did much better on the uptempo numbers than he did on the slow ballads. But his poise, his mannerisms, his stage presence, all were right on the money. It was a great evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I saw Sinatra once as well, January 1982, at Caesars. No strings, just a big band. And very minimal recent-ish pop fare, almost entirely standards. Swing and ballads. And a spot with the rhythm section, where he did "I Get A Kick Out Of You" in a pocket that was so locked in you could play basketball on it with one of Bill Belicheck's deflated footballs. Even then, his voice was in decline, but that night, he had a good night, found his spot inside the songs and inside the charts, and damn...I went in just to "see Sinatra", right, a chance to experience whatever part of American iconography he still occupied. But I left out of there with goosebumps, For real goosebumps. I finally got it. Total command that evening, total command. I'm an AARP member, and an informal Dylan fan. I sincerely hope I'm one of the random 50,000! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomsMobley Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 'standards' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Even then, his voice was in decline, but that night, he had a good night, found his spot inside the songs and inside the charts, and damn...I went in just to "see Sinatra", right, a chance to experience whatever part of American iconography he still occupied. But I left out of there with goosebumps, For real goosebumps. I finally got it. Total command that evening, total command. Had a very similar experience seeing Paul McCartney 4-5 years ago. Wow ... Edited January 24, 2015 by Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 50,000 of you will be getting the new album in here for FREE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 The secret Sinatra past of Bob Dylan's new album - LA Times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00N4B7VT0/ref=s9_simh_gw_p340_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=03Z5K3RQMXDTAZXZ6ZMS&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455344027&pf_rd_i=468294 El Bobo has many talents but I'm not sure twinkling is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I just heard the new record today. It is nice, if not a home run. The Sinatra connection is only tangential. This is Dylan making a serious effort to deliver these songs himself as best he can at this point in his career. I enjoyed listening to it, but it will probably be a while before I come back to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 What Happened to Bob Dylan’s Voice? A Doctor Explains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 it will probably be a while before I come back to it. That's been true for me for every album he's recorded the last 30 years except for 'Time Out of Mind'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'll have mine late today but probably won't listen to it til tomorrow. John, that was how I felt til about ten years ago when suddenly all those albums clicked for me in a way that they hadn't before, and the Bootleg volume "Tell Tale Signs" really solidified that for me. . . now I like all those albums. Tempest has been played a lot the last two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Lon - I am also a big fan of Tell Tale Signs, Time Out of Mind, and Tempest. I like most of the other recent ones, but not as much. The only one that I really didn't get at all was the Christmas song album. Edited February 3, 2015 by John L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) I even like that one. In part because I HATE Christmas albums. But I loved the arrangements and playing on that one and most of the singing. Dylan is an amazing person. I'd love to write a huge novel about his mature life if only I knew a bit more about it! I'm listening to Shadows in the Night right now, it came earlier than I thought it would. Beautiful arrangements and recording and I'm enjoying the singing. I'll be revisiting this one and can't wait to get my girlfriend's opinion Edited February 3, 2015 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Interview with Dylan in AARP Magazine. Thanks for posting this. I've never been a huge Dylan fan, but I plan to listen to this record. I thought his answer to this question was really very good--honest and insightful: I noticed that Frank Sinatra recorded every one of these songs. Was he on your mind? A: When you start doing these songs, Frank’s got to be on your mind. Because he is the mountain. That’s the mountain you have to climb, even if you only get part of the way there. And it’s hard to find a song he did not do. He’d be the guy you got to check with. People talk about Frank all the time. He had this ability to get inside of the song in a sort of a conversational way. Frank sang to you — not at you. I never wanted to be a singer that sings at somebody. I’ve always wanted to sing to somebody. I myself never bought any Frank Sinatra records back then. But you’d hear him anyway — in a car or a jukebox. Certainly nobody worshipped Sinatra in the ’60s like they did in the ’40s. But he never went away — all those other things that we thought were here to stay, they did go away. But he never did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 "Where are You" on this seems to me to have a Teagarden vibe to it, a good thing. I'm not very well-versed on Sinatra and I didn't once think "Sinatra!" during the listening to this, I know all these tunes from others but Bob inhabits them comfortably enough. I like this one more than I thought I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yeah, I wondered a bit about all the Sinatra hype, too ... after a few spins, I like the new one plenty - the man has no voice, but after all, he can sing ... he hits the notes and some of it sounds pretty daring for what one would except from him. But thinking of Sinatra only is definitely taking a few short cuts - but don't music critics love 'em? would be more work to check out the whole tin pan alley vs. singer/songwriters of the sixties and all that stuff ... I like the idea of ol' Bob paying his tributes to some other great songwriters that were of an era he helped to bring to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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