montg Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 I don't have much jazz recorded in the 70s in my collection. I'm not really into Fusion, so I thought Norman Granz' Pablo records might be the way to go to explore this era in jazz. Any great sessions on this label that would be good starting points? Thanks. Quote
Dan Gould Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 Definitely! The Basie, Benny Carter, Ella Fitzgerald & Sweets Edison dates can all be recommended. Quote
Jim Dye Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 I really dig the Gillespie and Peterson duet record. Quote
John Tapscott Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 All the Zoot Sims Pablo sessions are very good to excellent as well. My favorite is Zoot Sims and the Gershwin Brothers - a swinging session, if they ever was one. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 20, 2003 Report Posted August 20, 2003 Believe me, I don't mean to kick dust on the Pablo label BUT it is musically conservative. Nothing beyond Johnny Griffin/Zoot Sims stylistically. The label also released a bunch of mediocre or worse dates. There are many treasures in the catalog, but be careful. Pay attention to recommendations. Quote
RDK Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 I agree with Chuck. While Pablo recorded some terrific artists, most by that time were at the tail ends of their careers. There's still some good stuff to be found, but I find I usually pull out some earlier work to listen to or something more, uh, challenging given the dates of the recordings. To me Pablo is the 70's version of Concord. I understand that's damning with faint praise, but both are fairly conservative labels. Still, Duke's "This One's for Blanton" is very good, as are some of the Basie, Harry Edison, and Clark Terry dates (in addition to the other artists previously mentioned). And let's not forget the Art Tatums. Personally, I'd stay away from most of the Ella Fitzgeralds. Ray Quote
Stefan Wood Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 I don't think the JJ Johnson/Nat Adderley "Yokohama Concert" can be called conservative. This is one great live double lp set. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 For 1977 this certainly meets my defination of conservative. Quote
JSngry Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 If you can eat, drink and drive at the same time sanely, competently, and responsibly, here's a good'un for your next road trip: Stop at a rib shack, a 7-11, a gas station, and hit the road. Preferably on a spring day or an autumn night. Any Turner Pablo is worth checking out, flaws (of which there are many) and all, but this motherfucker just flat out ROCKS, flaws (of which there are many) and all. Sometimed flaws matter, sometime they don't. Here, they don't. Not even a little. Oh yeah, Lee Allen's on it too. Works for me. Quote
JSngry Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 I've always liked this one. Why? Hell if I know. Quote
JSngry Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Oh yeah, The Ellington Suites album and the two albums of "workshop" stuff. I'd lay my life on the line to keep those. There's a thing of "Love Is Just Around The Corner" that, for some reason, I think is one of the greatest things I've ever heard, even though I know it's not. Quote
JSngry Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Hawk's SIRIUS, although definitely not for "beginners" (and maybe not even intermidiates), is an essential album in a certain way, or even ways. Quote
CJ Shearn Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Pablo was a label I grew up with for a few records, there are some stuff IMO, especially recorded at Montreux that ranks as the label's best work and some inspired work from those at that time in their careers, some albums I dig are: Count Basie: On The Road, when it hit CD I was very happy. Great solos on this date by Eric Dixon, Kenny Hing, John Clayton and Booty Wood. Basie:Jam Session at Montreux '75: w/ Eldridge, Griffin, and Bags. Fun stuff. Basie: Montreux '77 Jam Milt Jackson/Ray Brown: Montreux '77 Jazz At the Santa Monica Civic '72 Freddie Hubbard: Born to Be Blue, At the Northsea Jazz Festival one thing that always bothered me and still does is Pablo's dry studio sound. Maybe it was meant for a "live" in your face kind of feel, I also heard that Norman had low production values, but the sound on other dry recordings doesn't bug me nearly as much as these. Quote
kh1958 Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Dizzy Gillespie y Machito, Afro-Cuban Jazz Moods. That is a tremendous recording, from 1975 on Pablo. Quote
Dmitry Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 This is the one to have. And this. And this. Quote
brownie Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Yes, Pablo was mostly conservative but a lot of other labels were recording the less conservative jazz. And Pablo did release the John Coltrane European concerts and Afro-Blue albums. It's also where MaryLou Williams and Cecil Taylor embraced. And that was the label that had albums like Roy Eldridge's 'What's It's All About', Sonny Criss' 'Intermission Riff' to mention just two. Not to forget the Lester Young in Washington series. And where jazz greats like Basie, Benny Carter, Zoot Sims, Joe Pass and many more were home. Quote
BeBop Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 The Zoot Sims sessions are good. I like Basie Jam, though AMG pans it. And Satch and Josh (Basie/Peterson). The Montreux recordings are okay. The Ray Bryants are among my favorites from his oeuvre (though I don't have lots...). Quote
Stefan Wood Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Chuck, compared to what you were offering on your label, yes Pablo overall is conservative. But I still stand by my opinion on that album. Quote
montg Posted August 21, 2003 Author Report Posted August 21, 2003 Thanks for the recs (and cautions). A lot to explore. For the moment, I've decided to start here: Quote
catesta Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 All the Zoot Sims Pablo sessions are very good to excellent as well. My favorite is Zoot Sims and the Gershwin Brothers - a swinging session, if they ever was one. Quote
P.D. Posted August 21, 2003 Report Posted August 21, 2003 Nothin' like startin' at or very close to, the top Quote
RDK Posted August 22, 2003 Report Posted August 22, 2003 Now you've done it! This thread caused me to download over a dozen Pablos off of Emusic last night. (And i just scratched the surface). Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 22, 2003 Report Posted August 22, 2003 Chuck, compared to what you were offering on your label, yes Pablo overall is conservative. But I still stand by my opinion on that album. It may be a great album. No value judgement on the recording in my post, but players with styles set in the '40s and early '50s, while grafting on modal styles from the late '50s, recorded in the mid seventies are conservative to me. Had nothing to do with what I recorded. I don't expect/demand players change, I do expect a clear headed view of the evolution of music. Quote
montg Posted August 22, 2003 Author Report Posted August 22, 2003 I wish my budget was bigger right now---the more I looked into some of these the more I wanted. I noticed redtrumpet.com has a few vicj 20 bit remasters of some Pablos for 11.99 (Basie Jam was one of them). Quote
paul secor Posted August 22, 2003 Report Posted August 22, 2003 (edited) Some of my favorite Pablos have already been mentioned, but I'd like to add: Benny Carter & Dizzy Gillespie: Carter, Gillespie, Inc. Oscar Peterson & Clark Terry Edited August 22, 2003 by paul secor Quote
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