Dmitry Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 I know Inner City primarily as a US-based reissue label for the SteepleChase and Enja LPs, and other European labels. Today I bought this Archie Shepp record - Doodlin'. It bears catalogue #IC 1001, which makes me specualte that this was the first IC record to be released, and not a reissue of another label. Which other IC records were original releases? What info do we have on the label itself? Who ran it, when and why did it perish, etc.? This has Alan Shorter on it. Quote
JSngry Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 I can tell you that it was a division of Music Minus One, and that most of its original releases were of the fusion & vocal variety (Jeff Lorber got his start on thae label), and that there's a very good discography of the label HERE if you can get it to work. I don't think that the Shepp was an IC "original", they licensed from a lot of labels, but I could well be wrong. Quote
paul secor Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 I have an issue of Doodlin' on Overseas Records (Japan). The label on that reads: Licence/Carson Records, France. Quote
Dmitry Posted December 3, 2006 Author Report Posted December 3, 2006 I don't think that the Shepp was an IC "original", they licensed from a lot of labels, but I could well be wrong. Jim, looks like it is an original IC release. Just checked with the jazzdisco.org Archie Shepp - Doodlin' (Inner City IC 1001) Alan Shorter (flh) Archie Shepp (p) Bob Reid (b) Muhammad Ali (d) Paris, France, November, 1970 Sweet Georgia Brown Doodlin' Invitation Worried About You If You Could See Me Now More Than You Know Coral Rock LP was released in 1976. I guess he sold them the tapes. I can't open that discography page. Quote
marcello Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 (edited) I have this ( and others): 1017 Ted Curson Jubilant Power Lot of Steeplechase releases came out on Inner City. Love those records with dexter and Jackie! From our friend Scott Yanow: Inner City During the decade after it was formed in 1976 by Irv Kratka (as a subsidiary of the MMO Music Group), Inner City issued and repackaged a large amount of jazz LPs in the US. On its Classic Jazz division prebop music (much of it taken from the European Black & Blue label) was made available domestically, while the main Inner City label ranged from bop (including music licensed from Steeple Chase, Enja and East Wind) and the avant-garde to fusion and crossover. Inner City also distributed the Choise label. Overall Inner City was responsible for the release of around 200 records before it became inactive in the mid-'80s. While the Chice, Enja and Steeple Chase releases have been reissued on CD by the parent companies, Inner City's own output remains out of print. -Scott Yanow Edited December 3, 2006 by marcello Quote
JSngry Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 I have an issue of Doodlin' on Overseas Records (Japan). The label on that reads: Licence/Carson Records, France. I don't think that the Shepp was an IC "original", they licensed from a lot of labels, but I could well be wrong. Jim, looks like it is an original IC release. Just checked with the jazzdisco.org Archie Shepp - Doodlin' (Inner City IC 1001) Alan Shorter (flh) Archie Shepp (p) Bob Reid (b) Muhammad Ali (d) Paris, France, November, 1970 Sweet Georgia Brown Doodlin' Invitation Worried About You If You Could See Me Now More Than You Know Coral Rock LP was released in 1976. I guess he sold them the tapes. I can't open that discography page. I can't either... Looks like this one might have originally geen done for the "Carson Records, France" thing. That would make sense, given the date & personnel. Quote
brownie Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 That 'Doodlin' date was recorded in France but was not released here. There were new Shepp albums coming out every month at the time on various labels. Don't think they sold that well. 'Doodlin' was originally released in Japan on Overseas. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 Cool cover (in the original post). Like the typeface/font of the title. Quote
JohnS Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 Quite a few where licenced from Japanse labels. Pressing quality wasn't that good unfortunately. Quote
Chas Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 Inner City may have repackaged and reissued a lot of music , but they were the first to issue Elmo Hope's Last Sessions . I remember how excited I was to find those two LPs . Really grateful I was . Quote
brownie Posted December 3, 2006 Report Posted December 3, 2006 I was in New York when those two Elmo Hope were released in 1977. Bought those LPs at the old J&R location at Nassau Street! The sessions were produced by Herb Abramson for his Festival Records label but seem to have remained unissued until their Inner City releases! Quote
clifford_thornton Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 That 'Doodlin' date was recorded in France but was not released here. There were new Shepp albums coming out every month at the time on various labels. Don't think they sold that well. 'Doodlin' was originally released in Japan on Overseas. I have seen a reference to Carson UPS-570 as its "original" catalog number. Carson also issued the AEC's Chi-Congo (originally on Decca). This is the only title on the Carson label I've actually held in my hands. Quote
brownie Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 Can't ever remember seeing any Carson releases Quote
Clunky Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 Quite a few where licenced from Japanse labels. Pressing quality wasn't that good unfortunately. I'm surprised by that comment as the few Inner City LPs I have are all good pressings with a nice full sound. Quote
kh1958 Posted December 4, 2006 Report Posted December 4, 2006 Quite a few where licenced from Japanse labels. Pressing quality wasn't that good unfortunately. I'm surprised by that comment as the few Inner City LPs I have are all good pressings with a nice full sound. They weren't as bad as Trip, but their pressings were generally pretty mediocre (cheap vinyl, I would guess). Quote
brownie Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 Some Inner City albums that were recorded for the label: Ted Curson 'Jubilant Power' Eddie Jefferson 'The Main Man' David Friesen 'Waterfall Rainbow' There are others.... Quote
sidewinder Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 Quite a few where licenced from Japanse labels. Pressing quality wasn't that good unfortunately. I'm surprised by that comment as the few Inner City LPs I have are all good pressings with a nice full sound. They weren't as bad as Trip, but their pressings were generally pretty mediocre (cheap vinyl, I would guess). Yep, usually badly warped too. I have two of the Art Farmer East Winds on this label. They sound suprisingly good - but I bet the East Winds are 2000% better. Quote
Clunky Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 Some Inner City albums that were recorded for the label: Ted Curson 'Jubilant Power' Eddie Jefferson 'The Main Man' David Friesen 'Waterfall Rainbow' There are others.... Warne Marsh "Tenor Gladness" Quote
JSngry Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 The Warne/Tabackin was a Toshiko-produced thing for the Japanese Disco-Mate label that she/they then leased to Inner City. Same thing w/her trio side, Tributes. Quote
paul secor Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 The Warne/Tabackin was a Toshiko-produced thing for the Japanese Disco-Mate label that she/they then leased to Inner City. Same thing w/her trio side, Tributes. Disko Mate also leased Jimmy Knepper in L.A. to Inner City - not sure if Inner City used the same title. Quote
Clunky Posted December 5, 2006 Report Posted December 5, 2006 The Warne/Tabackin was a Toshiko-produced thing for the Japanese Disco-Mate label that she/they then leased to Inner City. Same thing w/her trio side, Tributes. I stand corrected. great session even if Lew and Warne didn't see eye to eye. Quote
BeBop Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) Just picked up Shepp's Doodlin' today to add to my InnerCity collection. Don't have high hopes for Doodlin'. Except I'm hoping (highly) that he doesn't sing. Much. Probably won't see my turntable until early '09, so don't expect me to post impressions right away. Edited July 8, 2008 by BeBop Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 It's not bad. Curious band. Was originally recorded for the French label Carson. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted July 8, 2008 Report Posted July 8, 2008 It's not bad. Curious band. Was originally recorded for the French label Carson. So,,,,,,,,you only read the last post in a thread. Quote
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