Dmitry Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 jazz_jazz_jazz - listed a record as NM; it has numerous scratches and surface noise. donaepapi - listed a record as NM, "sounds absolutely great"; turns out it has surface noise up to wazoo. More are coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) jazz_jazz_jazz : i'm not surprised by your bad surprise. Their adds are agressive, bad quality pictures (i suppose in purpose) plenty of label listed in each add , (so you see them everywhere, whatever search you do), trashed covers listed VG+ etc...will never buy from them. Donaepapi : one experience. An accurately described Bill Evans record. Never buy other. Edited November 30, 2006 by Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted November 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 donaepapi offered to give me a refund. This is going to cost me $30. $15 shipping each way from/to Italy. Plus I want delivery confirmation so the seller doesn't say he never received the LP back from me. jazz_jazz_jazz hasn't responded to my request for refund yet. It's amazing that sellers like these have over 99% positive feedback. Coincidentally - how long can I wait till leaving a negative feedback? I think it's 90 days after the auction's end. If I can I'd like to do it in the last hour of the last day, so they can't leave retaliatory negative feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted November 30, 2006 Report Share Posted November 30, 2006 donaepapi offered to give me a refund. This is going to cost me $30. $15 shipping each way from/to Italy. Plus I want delivery confirmation so the seller doesn't say he never received the LP back from me. jazz_jazz_jazz hasn't responded to my request for refund yet. It's amazing that sellers like these have over 99% positive feedback. Coincidentally - how long can I wait till leaving a negative feedback? I think it's 90 days after the auction's end. If I can I'd like to do it in the last hour of the last day, so they can't leave retaliatory negative feedback. I think if you are refund, left no negative, whatever. And if you leave neg, (even legitimate) be prepared to get one in return... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzhound Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 I am preparing my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted December 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Yes, please, let's share the ebay ID's of the unscrupulous dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Yes, please, let's share the ebay ID's of the unscrupulous dealers. I would caution you against doing this. After a thread similar to this appeared on another site, an ebay dealer that was slammed threatened the owners with legal action if the posts weren't removed. I would hate to see this happen to our friends here. Maybe this is best done in private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(BB) Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Yes, please, let's share the ebay ID's of the unscrupulous dealers. I would caution you against doing this. After a thread similar to this appeared on another site, an ebay dealer that was slammed threatened the owners with legal action if the posts weren't removed. I would hate to see this happen to our friends here. Maybe this is best done in private. I would second the motion. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Yes , i'll second that too. We can share that privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) Yes, please, let's share the ebay ID's of the unscrupulous dealers. I would caution you against doing this. After a thread similar to this appeared on another site, an ebay dealer that was slammed threatened the owners with legal action if the posts weren't removed. I would hate to see this happen to our friends here. Maybe this is best done in private. Now i understand why those guys have always 100 % positive feedback ! Edited December 1, 2006 by Michel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 What kind of legal action can be taken? I would simply refrain from making generalizations and state your specific claims. Also please note if the seller offers a refund or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 I suspect that unless the complaint is something approaching legally prosecutable fraud you'd be better off to solve your dispute with the seller if you can first. Although it's noble to attempt to protect the rest of us vinyl hunters from bad buys, do you have enough actual evidence to defend yourself legally, should the seller choose to hit you with a lawsuit? It's always chancy to buy anything, particularly records, without seeing, examining and even playing them first. So, we are all taking a chance by buying records on-line. Would you describe a record as scratched, dented and virtually unplayable, if there was a chance you could unload it for money? That's the difference between somebody, like I assume we are, and someone who sees a chance to make a profit on old records rather than just trekking them down to GoodWill. Caveat Emptor has never been more apropos than it is when shopping online. The only thing you can do is make sure that the seller offers a refund and paid S&H if you aren't satisfied with your purchase. If they do, then there isn't a problem, even if the record turns out to be absolute trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 What kind of legal action can be taken? I would simply refrain from making generalizations and state your specific claims. Also please note if the seller offers a refund or not. Creating a list entitled "Unscrupulous Ebay Dealers" may not be the best idea IMO. I think that many people who have had conflict with a seller on ebay may have a hard time separating the facts from their emotions. I was not proposing blanket censorship, just a little prudence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 That is why we should privately share our list. On every commercial transaction, i can have an opinion, and share it privately with someone. Why not with record sellers (or bidder) ? Anyway this thread proves that the Ebay feedback and rating system is not reliable (and all my scratched records and seam splitted covers think so ! ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted December 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 A friendly epistle from jazz_jazz_jazz Hi Dmitry, Thanks for your mail and update. Wow the LP got to you so quick! That’s great. No worries about the return. All my items are guaranteed 100% for any reason. I would be glad to have the LP back here in the archives again. Just a friendly seller here. As another option I also offer 50% refund if you would like to keep the item. Please have a nice day/evening and thanks for keeping me on radar. I just got in some great pieces and will be posting them ASAP. Hope one can make it to your fine home. Best, Paul ...... Yeah, like I'll be buying from him again. No wonder almost noone else bid on this DG West 63rd Street mono in NM untouched condition. I should've known better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 At least the guy is polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 When you get your refund, why don't you use it to bid on this nice record with Kinny Durham on it? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...type=osi_widget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel1969 Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Good suggestion : its a splendid session, and apprently Japanese are not interested (hence price is less than 30). Anyway, this one is not the original with blue DG label, and a slightly diffrent logo on cover. But the sound of this one is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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