Late Posted November 19, 2006 Report Posted November 19, 2006 Has anyone picked this one up? It was apparently supposed to be a release on Atlantic, but never materialized at the time. Now Polystar Japan has released it. I'm interested, though the price is fairly steep (2415¥), and wanted to check in here first. Quote
couw Posted November 19, 2006 Report Posted November 19, 2006 Has anyone picked this one up? It was apparently supposed to be a release on Atlantic, but never materialized at the time. Now Polystar Japan has released it. I'm interested, though the price is fairly steep (2415¥), and wanted to check in here first. Are you sure this is EAST Berlin? The last GDR (Mitweida) concert by Joachim -- sans Rolf -- was in May 1966, he left the GDR through Vienna one week later. Rolf was a welcome guest from Hamburg (West Germany) before that time, but seeing that his seminal Solarius album on the GDR Amiga Jazz label (1964/5) was pretty much boycotted after Joachim went over, I can hardly imagine the two of them performing in East Berlin in 1966. Leafing through some books, I see there was a "Jazz in der Kammer" (E-Berlin) concert by the Kühn brothers on 31 January 1966. Maybe this is it? Do you have any more details on the personnel? Quote
couw Posted November 19, 2006 Report Posted November 19, 2006 Do you have any more details on the personnel? Rolf Kühn(cl) Joachim Kühn(p) Klaus Koch(b) Reinhard Schwartz(ds) that's the Joachim Kühn Trio of the time with Rolf added, which fits the "Jazz in der Kammer" description I have pity I have no track list of that concert. This is for the CD you describe: 1.Golem 2.Chiarescuro 3.Don't Run 4.Flowers In The Dark 5.The Sound Of Cats 6.Turning Point Quote
couw Posted November 19, 2006 Report Posted November 19, 2006 more searching: that seems to be saying February 22 and 23 at the bottom right Quote
Guest the mommy Posted November 20, 2006 Report Posted November 20, 2006 perhaps dumb...but i have passed on this album because the rhythm section doesn't sound too appealing. Quote
ep1str0phy Posted November 20, 2006 Report Posted November 20, 2006 I dunno. Rolf and Joachim have always managed to get away with (if not from) lackluster rhythm men. Can't speak for this session, but most of their albums (that I've heard) have been extremely directed. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted November 20, 2006 Report Posted November 20, 2006 Dunno about Schwartz (haven't heard the date), but Koch is a great player. Quote
couw Posted November 20, 2006 Report Posted November 20, 2006 Dunno about Schwartz (haven't heard the date), but Koch is a great player. I only know Schwartz from Trio dates with Kühn, he's okay. Koch was the bass player of choice with respect to free-jazz oriented dates in the former GDR. Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 20, 2006 Report Posted November 20, 2006 At any rate Koch must have been good enough to rate a biographical entry among the leading East German jazz players in the 1974 East German jazz book "Fascination Jazz". Quote
Late Posted November 20, 2006 Author Report Posted November 20, 2006 Unfortunately, I'm going to take a raincheck on this one for now, and not put an order in. Not because it's not likely good — it seems very interesting — but because funds are not looking up right now. I allowed myself "one more" (yeah, we've all said that) for a period of time, and instead went with the (also East German) Focus Jazz: More Music from the Wewerka Vaults. Cheaper, and with a diversity of musicians from the same geographical area and time period. I'll still be interested to read a review if anyone here decides to pick it up. (Watch, the review will rave, and then I'll "have" to buy it. But it will have already gone out of print in Japan ... ) Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 20, 2006 Report Posted November 20, 2006 I allowed myself "one more" (yeah, we've all said that) for a period of time, and instead went with the (also East German) Focus Jazz: More Music from the Wewerka Vaults. Cheaper, and with a diversity of musicians from the same geographical area and time period. Now please ... Focus Jazz is most definitely NOT to be equaled with East Germany! The jazzmen featured on this one are mostly from Austria and Czechoslovakia; Dusko Goykovich was originally from Yugoslavia (and made it to Newport in '58 with the ill-fated International Youth Band) but was a mainstay of the WEST German jazz scene for a long time. A minor difference from the Stateside point of view maybe, but it made ALL the difference to everyone involved in the countries right here ... Quote
couw Posted November 20, 2006 Report Posted November 20, 2006 true, you will want the Jazzanova comp Formation 60 for some East German jazz tunes. Quote
Late Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Posted November 21, 2006 Now please ... Focus Jazz is most definitely NOT to be equaled with East Germany! Right — my mistake. I was thinking "east" of Germany, and typed "East Germany." There is certainly a difference. Quote
couw Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Listening to this as I type and it's damn good! As ep1str0phy writes above, the music is extremely directed: it goes wham-bam right through the middle with lots of drive and energy. The liner notes mention that the Joachim Kühn Trio + Rolf had been touring and playing larger venues in the GDR (because Rolf was such a famous guy, remember he won the Downbeat award in 1962). Joachim considers this music the best his trio + Rolf have played during that period. When he left through Austria, he took a copy of the tapes along and sent it to Nesuhi Ertegun who really liked it and wanted to release it on Atlantic. They then played the Newport Festival in 1967, however, where Thiele offered to record them for Impulse!, which resulted in the "Impressions of New York" album. Ertegun considered two albums to be too much for the market and the Atlantic project was canned. Rolf is a strong player who has no problems keeping up with the exuberant ideas of his brother and Koch, the bassist. Technically, Schwartz may not be the best drummer, but he is very free and very supportive. Seems he has some big ears and lots of experience playing with this group. Quote
king ubu Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Where to find that disc? Amazon or JPC don't list it... any idea? Quote
J.A.W. Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) Where to find that disc? Amazon or JPC don't list it... any idea? Hiroshi Tanno can get it for you for 2310 yen (about €15,50 or $20.50 at today's exchange rate) plus shipping: hiroshi@earlyrecords.com The Japanese CD catalogue number is QSCA 1031. Edited December 8, 2006 by J.A.W. Quote
king ubu Posted December 8, 2006 Report Posted December 8, 2006 Thanks, I will think about it... (spent too much buying too many discs, of late... again... sigh!) Quote
Late Posted February 16, 2007 Author Report Posted February 16, 2007 Listening to this session now. A damn fine session — much, much better than I had expected. A wonderful example of a lost "Atlantic" session that did see "first issue" light. It can be done. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 19, 2007 Report Posted February 19, 2007 Yeah, I definitely have to pick this one up. From this period, the Impulse is phenomenal, and the Saba ain't too shabby neither! I also like the more manic sides from the '70s, though "directed" they ain't always... Quote
relyles Posted February 19, 2007 Report Posted February 19, 2007 I have the Impulse recording and it is indeed impressive. I will have to keep my eye open for this one. Quote
six string Posted February 21, 2007 Report Posted February 21, 2007 I dunno. Rolf and Joachim have always managed to get away with (if not from) lackluster rhythm men. Can't speak for this session, but most of their albums (that I've heard) have been extremely directed. Have you not heard Joachim's trio featuring Daniel Humair and J.F. Jenny-Clark? I have two and both display an especially tight and ferocious rhythm section imho. Daniel Humair is a drummer of tremendous talent. Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted February 24, 2007 Report Posted February 24, 2007 I have the Impulse recording and it is indeed impressive. I will have to keep my eye open for this one. kellaway, hell yes! Quote
Late Posted February 24, 2007 Author Report Posted February 24, 2007 I have the Impulse recording and it is indeed impressive. I will have to keep my eye open for this one. kellaway, hell yes! Uh? (Maybe I'm missing something.) The line-up for the Kühn Impulse! date is: Rolf Kühn: clarinet Joachim Kühn: piano Jimmy Garrison: bass Aldo Romano: drums Impressions of New York recorded 1967 Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 24, 2007 Report Posted February 24, 2007 You don't have this? It's wonderful! Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted February 24, 2007 Report Posted February 24, 2007 (edited) I have the Impulse recording and it is indeed impressive. I will have to keep my eye open for this one. kellaway, hell yes! Uh? (Maybe I'm missing something.) The line-up for the Kühn Impulse! date is: Rolf Kühn: clarinet Joachim Kühn: piano Jimmy Garrison: bass Aldo Romano: drums Impressions of New York (recorded 1967 of course-was thinking of kellaway's impressions of red square on angel. hasnt there ever been a 2 piano quartet? and joachim is one of my fav pianists! (Kellaway has had an impressive career, including recording with two Soviet defectors, Boris Midney and Igor Berukshtis, on the under-appreciated Russian Jazz Quartet’s Happiness.) Edited February 24, 2007 by alocispepraluger102 Quote
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