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....specifically when comparing the g. coleman stuff- how is rivers on this. i passed up on this one today cause i thought nothing can come close to the 1960 version of this same setlist, w/ trane--- and if anything was gonna come close it was the george coleman version of the same setlist- but what about miles in tokyo? how do you guys stack it up compared to what ive already mentioned?

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Sam's great on this, & a lot more "in your face" than George would be. Buy with confidence, I say.

Yeah, the 1960 stuff w/Trane is the shit. But this is pretty damn fine too.

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One of the most interesting live Miles date from that very essential era!

Even managed to get two copies of the Japanese original vinyl :blink:

You've persuaded me to pull my (one) copy of the CBS-Sony from the Miles rack today. :)

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Better yet, get the "Seven Steps" box. It's got that album and all the other essential live sets from that period.

Agree with Beef Rank. One of the best Miles box sets! :tup

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More than just Rivers' playing in itself, listen to how the rhythm team responds to him in comparison to Miles. Given that contrast, it's not suprising this lineup didn't last, but thank goodness we have the souvenirs. And yeah, the Seven Steps box is wonderful from start to finish. What a great period.

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For myself - and I realize that Miles (at least during that period) played for himself and not for me or anyone else - I wish Miles had kept Sam Rivers and had forgotten about Wayne Shorter. But, hey, that's just me.

So - another :tup for Miles in Tokyo and Sam Rivers.

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For myself - and I realize that Miles (at least during that period) played for himself and not for me or anyone else - I wish Miles had kept Sam Rivers and had forgotten about Wayne Shorter. But, hey, that's just me.

So - another :tup for Miles in Tokyo and Sam Rivers.

You know, pretty amazing to think how the whole face of jazz would be different had Sam kept aht tenor chair!

I hope that one day the estate releases official versions of the other two Japanese shows that exist in boot.

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I will have to give a relisten. I was underwhelmed and haven't spun this in ages.

Me too.

I've had the japanese vinyl for years and I also was underwhelmed then.

But I bought the recent cd issue to see if my feelings have changed, but they haven't.

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My taste is rather conservative. I love the Miles group with George Coleman, but am not particularly fond of the playing of Sam Rivers with Miles. The only Sam Rivers recordings I personally like are a couple of the dates he did for Blue Note.

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To reiterate and add (a bit), Sam is in a different stratosphere in this one. Which is not to say that he outpaces the band, or that the "other" horn (Miles) sounds outdated by comparison--it's just that this was a group of cats who were willing to move with the flow of outness... and, whereas, Miles could rein them in tight, Sam could take them out loose. I don't find Sam more jarring on this one than on Into Something!, for example, but he's clearly not as much of a 'unity' with Miles as Wayne was. All in all, it makes for some startling stuff.

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