sal Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 The Mosaic set is excellent. Lots of good stuff on there. And though I'm not the biggest soul jazz fan, I really like "Hustlin'" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 "Shirley" is one of my favorite songs...period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Kat Posted October 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 yes i like him too but to compare his sound to Hankenstein, i just dont know. Similar in the fact that his sound is not as rough as say Sonny Rollins, nor as mellow as Lester Young or Stan Getz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 yes i like him too but to compare his sound to Hankenstein, i just dont know. Well, I love Hank Mobley and listen to him more than Stanley, but . . . . Stanley had a much bigger, rounder sound than Hank. This is not to take anything away from Hank because he had many other strengths. But as far as a "big tenor" sound, Hank can't be compared to Stanley IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold_Z Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Not to overstate something that has been said on this board many times about many musicians. Forget comparisons. It's not about comparing Turrentine and Mobley. Both were great. Their appoaches and sound were not similar. Both were valid. We don't have to choose. We can enjoy both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Johnson Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Can I get an A-MEN!!! Truer words have not been spoken. Not to overstate something that has been said on this board many times about many musicians. Forget comparisons. It's not about comparing Turrentine and Mobley. Both were great. Their appoaches and sound were not similar. Both were valid. We don't have to choose. We can enjoy both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 I've picked up a bunch of ST albums over the past few months -- Joyride, The Spoiler, That's Where It's At, Hustlin', Never Let Me Go. Despite enjoying his work with Jimmy Smith I guess I overlooked his work as a leader, because these albums range from very good to excellent. I especially like TWIA and Spoiler. "La Fiesta" is awesome. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted November 18, 2007 Report Share Posted November 18, 2007 Stanley T puts a smile on my face whenever and wherever I hear him. I don't care what folks think, he's my favorite tenor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I must have missed this thread last time around... i first heard Turrentine on Jimmy Smith's great "Back at the Chicken Shack" (which was among my first 20 or so jazz CDs and I still love it today, still among my 3-4 favourite Smith albums). I never warmed as much to "Midnight Special" and don't get into "Prayer Meeting" to this day... But I picked up a few other Turrentine albums, most notably the 2CD set from Minton's, which I love! I still remember, I bought it in Athens (Greece, not Georgia, just in case), while there in highschool... (also bought "Whims of Chambers" there). Then I guess next I heard him on "Midnight Special" by Kenny Burrell - fantastic moody album! The album with the Three Sounds I used to love, but I played it once or twice too often and rarely spin it nowadays. I've got a few more by now, and my favourites, next to the Minton's, include the three albums with Horace Parlan (one pictured above, the other two are part of the Parlan Mosaic). "Hustlin'" and some others I have with Shirley Scott are excellent, too ("Queen of the Organ" on Impulse and one of the Scott Legends of Acid Jazz on Prestige). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 don't have the best Turrentone records it seems, after reading this thread, but my favorites are Shirley Scott's Blue Flames (OJC) and the The Common Touch (and then the Legends of Acid Jazz Scott twofer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Stanley is probably my favorite tenor player of all time. I grew up on stuff like "Midnight Special", "Bacvk at the Chicken Shack". I really love his playing on JOS' "Off the Top", and the "Fourmost" series of albums as well, and on "Freddie Hubbard/Stanley Turrentine in Concert" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Turrentine is so solidly reliable that I think there's sometimes a slight tendency to take him for granted. (Not by everyone, I hasten to add!) I love his work with Jimmy Smith, on the Comin' On! and Flight To Jordan albums, and the Mosaic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Hey, now that I think of it, any love for Stanley's brother Tommy Turrentine? I love his composition "Enitnerrut" on Jackie McLean's A Fickle Sonance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Ptah Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Let me add a dissenting voice here. Not only did Turrentine record a good deal of boring stuff, he sometimes did not play that well live. I saw him several times in the 1977--83 period. Sometimes he was O.K., not a world beater but enjoyable enough. Sometimes he was barely mailing it in, visibly going through the motions onstage. I agree that many of his recordings before and through the CTI "Sugar" album were quite good. I just think that the unanimous, effusive praise for Turrentine on this thread makes me think that I am reading a thread about Lester Young or someone of that level, and it wasn't exactly like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Stanley T puts a smile on my face whenever and wherever I hear him. I don't care what folks think, he's my favorite tenor. He's definitely in the upper ranks of my top 5 tenor players.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Let me add a dissenting voice here. Not only did Turrentine record a good deal of boring stuff, he sometimes did not play that well live. I saw him several times in the 1977--83 period. Sometimes he was O.K., not a world beater but enjoyable enough. Sometimes he was barely mailing it in, visibly going through the motions onstage. I am not sure that everyone is universally praising every recording Turrentine made. Is it merely coincidence that the period you saw him and were unimpressed was also the period of his most commercial, snooziest recordings and that both before and after he recorded many fine albums? I would consider what tunes he was playing in those sets before making judgments about his live performances in general. I agree that many of his recordings before and through the CTI "Sugar" album were quite good. I just think that the unanimous, effusive praise for Turrentine on this thread makes me think that I am reading a thread about Lester Young or someone of that level, and it wasn't exactly like that. In his own way, I think Stanley is every bit as pleasure-inducing as Pres. Your mileage may indeed vary, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I missed this thread before, too. Well, I have LOTS of Stanley, of course, as a sideman as well as a leader. What Stanley had that separated him from most other tenor players of his generation was a huge sound that harked back to the big tenor players of the previous generation - Ben, Ammons, Gator, Illinois, Arnett, Tate & etc - but the taste to put that into a more modern context; whether of organ-related Soul Jazz or Bebop/Hard Bop. Stanley's sound. Yes he is. And on the other hand Stanley's sound. Yes he is. And that's what causes a lot of people to be turned off by the stuff he made for Fantasy and Elektra; me too, to be frank - because that sensuous sound of his is the first thing that hits you and, if you want to make some real money out of jazz, you don't need to go much farther than find a saxman with a great, sensuous sound. But there are a couple of exceptions which I wouldn't want people to miss simply through lack of knowledge. "Everybody come on out" is a pretty commercial thing but Stanley sounds to me as if he's relly playing on a good many of these tracks. "Use the stairs" which is a kind of straight big band album, but with only one main soloist (arranged by Wade Marcus). But with songs like "The lamp is low", "On a misty night", "Jordu" and "Georgia on my mind", you know you're not going to get lift music (sorry, elevator music). (Think I'll give that one a play later.) These aren't "brilliant" albums, but they're pretty damn good. If you've got all the brilliant stuff, then a couple of pretty damn good ones wouldn't go amiss. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Have mentioned it before but still can't get over seeing a notice in the middle of nowhere-sville, Scotland (somewhere near the Culloden battlesite) saying that Stanley T. was playing live in the Village Hall that very night. Couldn't stop ! The one time I saw him he put on a super show - also very accessible for the non jazz-heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 another favourite: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Let me add a dissenting voice here. Not only did Turrentine record a good deal of boring stuff, he sometimes did not play that well live. I saw him several times in the 1977--83 period. Sometimes he was O.K., not a world beater but enjoyable enough. Sometimes he was barely mailing it in, visibly going through the motions onstage. I agree that many of his recordings before and through the CTI "Sugar" album were quite good. I just think that the unanimous, effusive praise for Turrentine on this thread makes me think that I am reading a thread about Lester Young or someone of that level, and it wasn't exactly like that. I think there's an interesting quote in the liner notes to Sugar which compares his BN albums to the playing of a guy who bats at 0.280. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John L Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Let me add a dissenting voice here. Not only did Turrentine record a good deal of boring stuff, he sometimes did not play that well live. I saw him several times in the 1977--83 period. Sometimes he was O.K., not a world beater but enjoyable enough. Sometimes he was barely mailing it in, visibly going through the motions onstage. I agree that many of his recordings before and through the CTI "Sugar" album were quite good. I just think that the unanimous, effusive praise for Turrentine on this thread makes me think that I am reading a thread about Lester Young or someone of that level, and it wasn't exactly like that. I think there's an interesting quote in the liner notes to Sugar which compares his BN albums to the playing of a guy who bats at 0.280. Guy Reggie Jackson always batted under .280. But damn if he wasn't one of the most exciting ballplayers of all time. Sure, Stanley T had the pay the bills, and made some subpar commercial recordings. (On the other hand, his CTI material was both commercial and, for the most part, profound (IMO).) But there is no reason to stand judgement over his greatness from that point of view. His incredible body of successful work speaks for itself, and will continue to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think there's an interesting quote in the liner notes to Sugar which compares his BN albums to the playing of a guy who bats at 0.280. Guy I don't know what that means, but I DID get the third billed actor comment. Don't dissent from that bit; third rate, among jazz musicians, is bloody good! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 I think there's an interesting quote in the liner notes to Sugar which compares his BN albums to the playing of a guy who bats at 0.280. Guy I don't know what that means, but I DID get the third billed actor comment. Don't dissent from that bit; third rate, among jazz musicians, is bloody good! MG It might have been intended as an insult, but I certainly don't read it that way -- as you say, third billed is better than 10th billed or not billed at all. Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Stanley plays very well on the organ recordings, but my favorites are his hard bop sessions on Blue Note. I especially like his recordings with Horace Parlan. As a sideman with Art Taylor, with Sonny Clark, and with Duke Jordan he is damn fine too. By coincidence, I was just playing a CD on the Bainbridge label called STAN "THE MAN" TURRENTINE. This was originally on Timeless and has either Tommy Flanagan or Sonny Clark on piano along with George Duvivier,bass; and Max Roach on drums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I think there's an interesting quote in the liner notes to Sugar which compares his BN albums to the playing of a guy who bats at 0.280. Guy I don't know what that means, but I DID get the third billed actor comment. Don't dissent from that bit; third rate, among jazz musicians, is bloody good! MG It might have been intended as an insult, but I certainly don't read it that way -- as you say, third billed is better than 10th billed or not billed at all. Guy Well, I couldn't tell, because I don't know what batting at 0.285 means... MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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