Teasing the Korean Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 I really love "Tome VI" on Verve. Does he have other albums along these lines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 He did an electronic album for Blue Note in the early 90s, but I've never heard it. Same w/an early 70s thing called Waterbirds. Tome VI is an interesting record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Don't know if it's the electronics or the jazz (or both) that you like, but the soundtrack to The Andromeda Strain is interesting, but not at all like his band The Electronauts. He also did an all electronic soundtrack for the Night Gallery series as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Thanks for the suggestions. What I like about Tome VI is the combination of electronics, modal jazz and free jazz. There's one track that has kind of an eastern feel, and a couple of others that have that introspective minor key/modal vibe characteristic of lots of spacey/soul/groove jazz that would come along a couple of years later. Basically, the album has aspects of a lot of sub-genres I'm into, while simultaneously having its own thang. The Andromeda Strain goes for big $$$ when it shows up. I don't think it's ever been on CD. I recently rented some Night Gallery episodes and I noticed the music. Late 60s/Early 70s TV scores are so amazingly great - nothing like what you hear on TV now. It's hard for me to pay attention to the storylines. When I'm not distracted by the cars, the fashions, or Jack Lord's hair, I'm listening to the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 (edited) The Andromeda Strain goes for big $$$ when it shows up. I don't think it's ever been on CD.It's available. I've got it and listen to it pretty often. It's not legit mind you, but it's available. Actually, the quality is not that great and I've thought more than a few times of transferring from the LP to CDR. When the soundtrack came out in the 70's, there were a few promo versions that had the key included (you'll know what I'm talking about if you've ever seen the film). It's a prize possession - well, one anyway... Edited October 23, 2006 by rostasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 He did an electronic album for Blue Note in the early 90s, but I've never heard it. It's titled Mindscape, and it's what an antique collector would call a bric-a-brac; nothing special, nothing spectacular, nothing specifically memorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rostasi Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I think Enja re-released it on CD with a couple of bonus tracks a while back. Also, (for T the K): The soundtracks are nothing like the things that you enjoy in the Tome recording, but it could be fascinating listening if you come across them sometime (at a reasonable price). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 He did an electronic album for Blue Note in the early 90s, but I've never heard it. It's titled Mindscape, and it's what an antique collector would call a bric-a-brac; nothing special, nothing spectacular, nothing specifically memorable. I have the CD of it. Quite like it - sort of an electronic music-scape. Not much jazz content though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloe Omoe Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 He did an electronic album for Blue Note in the early 90s, but I've never heard it. Same w/an early 70s thing called Waterbirds. I have both. Mindscape is nice, but nothing more. Waterbirds is far more interesting. Luca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted October 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Did Gill do other albums for Verve around the time of Tome VI, or was it a one-off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloe Omoe Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Did Gill do other albums for Verve around the time of Tome VI, or was it a one-off? I think it's the only one. Waterbirds came out for Nocturne. Luca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Basten II Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Bought this CD from him. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:qtf5zfioeh6k Loved especially the second cd, especially the cuts with Lou Mecca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I recently picked up two Gil Melle recordings, a Blue Note 78 (Four Moons/The Gears) and the Prestige/OJC CD of Primitive Modern/Quadrama. I've been listening to jazz for over 35 years, and all I've got to say is, "Where has this guy been all my life?" My fault for not checking him out sooner, but I'm glad I did now. The first cut from Primitive Modern, "Dominica," made me a believer - what a striking piece of music. There was a whole group of jazz musicians in the fifties (and today, for that matter) who were not content to just blow solos over changes. Melle is one of those guys, like Giuffre, or John Graas, or Hal McKusick, who made sure there was an interesting compositional structure going on, not just strings of solos. And has Joe Cinderella, the guitarist on the Prestige CD, been talked about in this forum? Very interesting player. I just bought Tome IV from an Ebay vendor. I'm looking forward to hearing it, although I know it will be very different from the 50's stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Jeff, I highly recommend you pick up The Complete Blue Note Recordings. It's available on Amazon as a BN-authorized CD-R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Melle was an artist for the last years of his life - I called him up out of the blue and he was very friendly if a bit guarded. He told me he was the first to use electronics in jazz and had done so in the 1950s - and according to Teo Macero, he and Melle and some others participated in some concerts in the 1950s that not only used electronics but which had Varese as a participant. I assume this is true as I see no reason that Macero would make this up (he was crotchety and only semi-friendly but forthcoming once I got him interested in the topic). The idea of a Varese/Macero/Melle collaboration is quite fantastic, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to get much documentation - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofanotherkind Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Melle was an artist for the last years of his life - I called him up out of the blue and he was very friendly if a bit guarded. He told me he was the first to use electronics in jazz and had done so in the 1950s - and according to Teo Macero, he and Melle and some others participated in some concerts in the 1950s that not only used electronics but which had Varese as a participant. I assume this is true as I see no reason that Macero would make this up (he was crotchety and only semi-friendly but forthcoming once I got him interested in the topic). The idea of a Varese/Macero/Melle collaboration is quite fantastic, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to get much documentation - Teo was being crotchety ? Really ? You mean like Ernest Grainger ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 well, Macero was an ego maniac and my conversations with him were somewhat comical - he would answer the phone, I would tell him why I was calling, he would mumble and growl a bit, and then I would tell him that I regarded his recorded work of the 1950s as some of the most interesting music of that era, and he would say, "oh, yeah," and relax a bit and talk - this exact same scenario occurred on about 4 occasions. I hate flattering people, but I meant what I said and it was the only way to get him to stop growling - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 well, Macero was an ego maniac and my conversations with him were somewhat comical - he would answer the phone, I would tell him why I was calling, he would mumble and growl a bit, and then I would tell him that I regarded his recorded work of the 1950s as some of the most interesting music of that era, and he would say, "oh, yeah," and relax a bit and talk - this exact same scenario occurred on about 4 occasions. I hate flattering people, but I meant what I said and it was the only way to get him to stop growling - That's hilarious...not to mention pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Re: Joe Cinderella... I agree; he is one of the primary reasons I keep returning to Melle's work (particularly the Prestige sides). I actually spoke with Mr. Cinderella about 4 - 5 years ago, via phone (no, no sammich talk). We discussed doing an interview, but, unfortunately, that was at a time when I was "between publications" -- a crack out of which I ultimately chose not to re-emerge -- and nothing ever came of it. He was still playing regularly at the time, in a 2-guitar quartet IIRC, and indicated he had just finished working with an associate on his website. If that ever came to pass, there's no evidence of it on the web that I can find. Recordings of Cinderella apart from the Melle group are not exactly plentiful, but, for anyone whose interested... http://cdbaby.com/cd/cinderella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 well, Macero was an ego maniac and my conversations with him were somewhat comical - he would answer the phone, I would tell him why I was calling, he would mumble and growl a bit, and then I would tell him that I regarded his recorded work of the 1950s as some of the most interesting music of that era, and he would say, "oh, yeah," and relax a bit and talk - this exact same scenario occurred on about 4 occasions. I hate flattering people, but I meant what I said and it was the only way to get him to stop growling - That's hilarious...not to mention pathetic. I dunno man, Teo has a lot to be proud of on his own. thinking of him as first and foremost a producer would be a big mistake. But hell, the guy's still not getting full props for his role as Miles' arranger/editor/producer (one could make the case for co-composer in some instances, perhaps) during the first electric era, much less as a player/composer, so I think he's got a right to have an attitude. Allow me to suggest a read of this older thread: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...p;hl=teo+macero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I agree; he was also a terrific saxophonist with perhaps the most beautiful altissimo sound I've ever heard - check him out on Mingus's Elegy for Rudy Williams - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 He played like a more "studied" Warne Marsh, and by that I mean zero disrespect. He was not a "profound" improviser, but I don't think that was his game anyway. Improvising was simply part of his it, and not necessarily even the dominant part. He was just waaaay out of sync with the "jazz mainstream" of his time and place, that's all. But the cat was no lightweight, that's for sure. And a lot of those Teo Records releases of his are worth hearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I was just listening to Blues For Amy, maybe 1959, great Phil Woods solo. Beautiful arrangement by Teo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fer Urbina Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 The idea of a Varese/Macero/Melle collaboration is quite fantastic, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to get much documentation - Allen, Have you tried the Teo Macero collection at NYPL? F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 have not - thanks, will check it out - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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