chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 is there so great why havent -I- heard of em??!?! Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 is there so great why havent -I- heard of em??!?! Haven't heard of Grant Green? And you must have Johnny Acea, who played piano on Don Wilkerson's "Elder Don". And Eddie Chamblee is just one of the most fantastic tenor players ever! If you see "The rockin' tenor sax of EC", don't hesitate to buy it. MG Quote
JSngry Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 is there so great why havent -I- heard of em??!?! Because as much as you know, there is still more to find out. Hell, I'm more than twice your age & I'm still learning. It never stops, and be thankful for that. When it does, it's time to die. Now, chewy - do you know Tom Archia? Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 this is all too much for me right now im gonna go cook some beans and listen to No Jacket Required Quote
sal Posted November 5, 2006 Report Posted November 5, 2006 this is all too much for me right now im gonna go cook some beans and listen to No Jacket Required Quote
king ubu Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 (edited) Chiming in again to say thanks, the Dodo Greene arrived on saturday - haven't had time to play it yet, alas. Thanks, Shawn! (edited for spelling) Edited November 6, 2006 by king ubu Quote
Big Al Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 u only want the dodo cause ike quebecs on it And that's a bad thing? Quote
king ubu Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 I want the dodo because of the dodo... see my avatar Quote
felser Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 I want the dodo because of the dodo... see my avatar Great conversation, but I find the CD unlistenable because of the vocals. May just be a subjective style preference on my part... Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 is there so great why havent -I- heard of em??!?! Now, chewy - do you know Tom Archia? I even know The Archers. (BBC joke) MG Quote
king ubu Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 I played parts of the Dodo last night... not unlistenable at all, but to me it sounds like in a very different tradition/line than the "mainstream" jazz singer - reminded me of some of the vocal stuff in the "Blues, Boogie & Bop" Mercury 40s set, you know, some of those tracks with anonymous bands, Helen Humes is the only bigger name in there, the others are Myra Taylor, Julia Lee and Roy Byrd. That's a more commercial kind of line, I guess, jump and blues, not "proper" jazz... if viewed as that, I have no problem with Dodo at all... and the music is not exactly the most subtle, either... just not what you'd expect to hear on Blue Note. Anyway, they did hardly any vocal sessions, and with "Portrait of Sheila" being such a great and unique album anyway, this won't stand up that comparison, but there's no need to compare it, I think. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 I played parts of the Dodo last night... not unlistenable at all, but to me it sounds like in a very different tradition/line than the "mainstream" jazz singer - reminded me of some of the vocal stuff in the "Blues, Boogie & Bop" Mercury 40s set, you know, some of those tracks with anonymous bands, Helen Humes is the only bigger name in there, the others are Myra Taylor, Julia Lee and Roy Byrd. That's a more commercial kind of line, I guess, jump and blues, not "proper" jazz... if viewed as that, I have no problem with Dodo at all... and the music is not exactly the most subtle, either... just not what you'd expect to hear on Blue Note. Anyway, they did hardly any vocal sessions, and with "Portrait of Sheila" being such a great and unique album anyway, this won't stand up that comparison, but there's no need to compare it, I think. Dodo was a Soul Jazz singer. Compare her with someone like Della Reese, Irene Reid or Billie Poole. Not quite as good as them, I think, but not bad. MG Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 reminded me of some of the vocal stuff in the "Blues, Boogie & Bop" Mercury 40s set, you know, some of those tracks with anonymous bands, Helen Humes is the only bigger name in there, the others are Myra Taylor, Julia Lee and Roy Byrd. Roy Byrd was Professor Longhair - not a small name, Ubu. Julia Lee was an even bigger name than Longhair, in the '40s - 13th biggest selling R&B artist of the decade. Very, very cool lady. I wasn't aware she'd ever recorded for Mercury; she was mostly on Capitol. What is on your box must have been some early material recorded for a tiny label in Kansas City in '45. What's the track title? MG Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 (edited) Now, chewy - do you know Tom Archia? Blew some mean tenor ... I like the stuff he did for Chess in the 40s and his backup work for Wynonie Harris. Speaking of which, thanks for your impressions of the Dodo Greene CD, king ubu. Sounds like something I might want to add to the R&B corner of my collection one of these days. I played parts of the Dodo last night... not unlistenable at all, but to me it sounds like in a very different tradition/line than the "mainstream" jazz singer - reminded me of some of the vocal stuff in the "Blues, Boogie & Bop" Mercury 40s set, you know, some of those tracks with anonymous bands, Helen Humes is the only bigger name in there, the others are Myra Taylor, Julia Lee and Roy Byrd. Fine stuff on these Mercury boxes. Not bad credentials if you compare her to this material. ... just not what you'd expect to hear on Blue Note. Which only goes to prove once again that you shouldn't buy records for the label (as so many BN fetichists seem to do) but for the artist and the music in its own right. Julia Lee was an even bigger name than Longhair, in the '40s - 13th biggest selling R&B artist of the decade. Very, very cool lady. I wasn't aware she'd ever recorded for Mercury; she was mostly on Capitol. What is on your box must have been some early material recorded for a tiny label in Kansas City in '45. What's the track title? If It's Good/Show Me Missouri Blues/Lotus Blossom/Dream Lucky Blues (originally recorded for Premium in 1946, reissued elsewhere too, e.g. on her Jukebox Lil LP's) Edited November 9, 2006 by Big Beat Steve Quote
king ubu Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 That Mercury box is a marvel - there are threads dedicated to it, but here's the tracklist again: Disk 1 Bedroom Blues - Sippie Wallace Buzz Me - Sippie Wallace Doin' The Boogie Woogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Oh, Lady, Be Good! - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Suitcase Blues - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Boogie Woogie At The Civic Opera - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Boogie Woogie At The Civic Opera - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Swanee River Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Why I'm Leaving You - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings I Don't Want To See You - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Red Sails In The Sunset - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Kilroy Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Deep In The Heart Of Texas Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Sweet Patooty Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings 12th Street Rag - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings 12th Street Rag - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings St. Louis Blues - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Shufflin' The Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Shufflin' The Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings S. P. Blues - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Hiroshima - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Roses Of Picardy - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings The Sheik Of Araby - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings You Are My Sunshine - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings In A Little Spanish Town ('Twas A Night Like This) - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Margie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Disk 2 Tuxedo Boogie - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings Mr. Bell Boogie - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings Bear Den Boogie - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings Rhythm Boogie - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings Ammons Stomp - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings Baltimore Breakdown - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings When You And I Were Young, Maggie - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings The Clipper - Albert Ammons and His Rhythm Kings Jet Propelled Papa - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Blue And Sentimental - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra I Just Refuse To Sing The Blues - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra They Raided The Joint - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Mad About You - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra / Jumpin' On Sugar Hill - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra / Flippity Flop Flop - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Today I Sing The Blues - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Time Out For Tears - Helen Humes With Unknown Orchestra Married Man Blues - Helen Humes With Unknown Orchestra Somebody Loves Me - Helen Humes With Unknown Orchestra Don't Fall In Love With Me - Helen Humes With Unknown Orchestra I've Got The Strangest Feeling - Helen Humes And The Contrastors Free - Helen Humes And The Contrastors Disk 3 Hootie Boogie - Jay McShann And The Boogie Woogie Trio Garfield Avenue Blues - Jay McShann And The Boogie Woogie Trio Crown Prince Boogie - Jay McShann And The Boogie Woogie Trio Shipyard Woman Blues - Jay McShann And The Sextet Ernestine - Jay McShann And The Sextet Bucktown Boogie - Jay McShann And The Sextet Roll On, Katy - Jay McShann And The Sextet Voodoo Woman Blues - Jay McShann And The Sextet I Want A Little Girl - Jay McShann And The Sextet Jimtown Boogie - Jay McShann And The Sextet Have You Ever Loved A Woman - Jay McShann And The Sextet Gone With The Blues - Jay McShann And The Sextet Barfly Blues - Jay McShann & His Orchestra Please Stop Playing Those Blues, Boy - Jay McShann & His Orchestra All My Geets Are Gone - Jay McShann & His Orchestra Strange Woman Blues - Jay McShann & His Orchestra W. B. Blues - Walter Brown with Jay McShann Trio Sloppy Drunk - Walter Brown with Jay McShann Trio Lovin' A Beggar - Walter Brown with Jay McShann Trio Just Thinkin' - Walter Brown with Jay McShann Trio You Didn't Tell Me - Jay McShann & His Orchestra Got You Beggin' - Jay McShann & His Orchestra Duke And The Brute - Jay McShann & His Orchestra Reach - Jay McShann & His Orchestra Disk 4 Cherry Red Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Somebody's Gotta Go - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Too Many Women Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Just A Dream - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Mr. Cleanhead Steps Out - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra It's A Groovy Affair - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra I've Been So Good - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Juice Head Baby - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Cleanhead Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra When A Woman Loves Her Juice - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Kidney Stew Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra King For A Day Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Old Maid Boogie - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Lazy Gal - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Bonus Pay - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Luxury Tax Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Railroad Porter's Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Gonna Send You Back Where I Got You From - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra When I Get Drunk - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Oil Man Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Ever-Ready Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Wrong Girl Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Wandering Mind Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Have You Ever Missed Your Baby? - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Disk 5 Some Women Do - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson Alimony Blues - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson High Class Baby - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson I Took The Front Door In - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson Friday Fish Fry - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson Shavetail - Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson Her Mind Is Gone - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Bald Head - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Hey Now, Baby - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Oh, Well - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Byrd's Blues - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Hadacol Bounce - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Longhair Stomp - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Been Foolin' Around - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers Between The Night And Day - Roy Byrd And His Blues Jumpers If It's Good - Julia Lee With Tommy Douglas's Orchestra Show Me Missouri Blues - Julia Lee With Tommy Douglas's Orchestra Lotus Blossom - Julia Lee With Tommy Douglas's Orchestra Dream Lucky Blues - Julia Lee With Tommy Douglas's Orchestra Take It Easy, Greasy - Myra Taylor With Jimmy Keith's Orchestra Tell Your Best Friend Nothin' - Myra Taylor With Jimmy Keith's Orchestra The Spider And The Fly - Myra Taylor With Jimmy Keith's Orchestra Still Blue Water - Myra Taylor With Jimmy Keith's Orchestra Disk 6 Boy Meets Horn - Rex Stewart And His Sextet Jug Blues - Rex Stewart And His Sextet B. O. Blues - Rex Stewart And His Sextet That's Rhythm - Rex Stewart And His Sextet Dateless Brown - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra You Got Me Cryin' Again - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra Desperate Desmond - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra It Couldn't Be True - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra Quiet Riot - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra Baby, Baby All The Time - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra Route 66 - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra The Iggity Song - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra It's About Time - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra Ready To Go Steady - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra Rich-Ual Dance - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra Oop-Bop-Sha-Bam - Buddy Rich And His Orchestra You Talk A Little Trash - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Typhoon - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra I Love You, Yes I Do - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Smooth Sailing - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra 'Gator Tail, Part 1 - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra 'Gator Tail, Part 2 - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Let 'Em Roll - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Slidin' And Glidin' - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Mercenary Papa - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra You Got To Pay Those Dues - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Disk 7 (alternates & rarities) Oh, Lady, Be Good! - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Oh, Lady, Be Good! - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Oh, Lady, Be Good! - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Kilroy Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Kilroy Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Kilroy Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings St. Louis Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings St. Louis Boogie - Albert Ammons And His Rhythm Kings Jet Propelled Papa - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra I Just Refuse To Sing The Blues - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra They Raided The Joint - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Mad About You - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Flippity Flop Flop - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Today I Sing The Blues - Helen Humes With Buck Clayton's Orchestra Bucktown Boogie - Jay McShann And His Sextet Voodoo Woman Blues - Jay McShann And His Sextet Br'er Rabbit - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Boogie Woogie Holliday - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Too Many Women Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra I Like To Be Home Blues - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Three O'Clock In The Morning - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Gonna Send You Back Where I Got You From - Eddie 'Mr. Cleanhead' Vinson and His Orchestra Typhoon - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Mercenary Papa - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Doin' The Gator Tail - Cootie Williams And His Orchestra Just An Idea - Mary Lou Williams Just You, Just Me - Mary Lou Williams ***************************************************************** No offense intended to Profossor Longhair, with whom I am not familiar at all. Maybe the comparisons are ambitious one - I really don't know enough about this kind of music to make valid comments and comparisons, my point was just that this is the place where I feel Dodo Greene's coming from. I am not sure the "soul jazz" label is a very useful one... Mingus has at least as much soul as what the etiquette is more often attached to... but I think I know what you mean, MG! Sorry if my lack of knowledge leads to wrong conclusions... I'm merely a youngster interested in the history and music of jazz and have not delved too deeply into lots of pre-bop and the entertainment/jump/blues/whatever genre(s). The point about not buying stuff because it's on a particular label is a good one. On the other hand, with this method you may end up with some great stuff that you wouldn't have encountered otherwise... with my own sponge-like way of proceeding, this certainly is a great way of finding out about new stuff... the Blues, Boogie & Bop set was a similar one - I got it because it looked great, it was a minor obsession to locate one that I could afford, and then there are the Cleanhead and McShann cuts I wanted, plus the Rich and also the Ammons... most of the rest I was unfamiliar with (actually I was unfamiliar with Cleanhead and Ammons, too), so this was a great way of finding out about something new to me. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 No sweat about definitions, Ubu. They're a marketing aid, which means if there is general agreement on what they cover, that can serve as pointers for people to follow to other things. But they're no more than that. I've never come across that set before. Thanks for going to the trouble of posting the tracks. Looks very good to me and I haven't got much of it. What's it called? MG Quote
JSngry Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 I want the dodo because of the dodo... see my avatar You think that Jesus was a flightless bird? Interesting theory, but it's already been proven that he was black & Canadian. Maybe you meant Jeeves, of "Ask Jeeves" fame. Him I could see as a dodo. Quote
king ubu Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 I want the dodo because of the dodo... see my avatar You think that Jesus was a flightless bird? Interesting theory, but it's already been proven that he was black & Canadian. Maybe you meant Jeeves, of "Ask Jeeves" fame. Him I could see as a dodo. Time has passed, the world has a new executive board, and ubu a new avatar... old one below, sir. Quote
king ubu Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 No sweat about definitions, Ubu. They're a marketing aid, which means if there is general agreement on what they cover, that can serve as pointers for people to follow to other things. But they're no more than that. I've never come across that set before. Thanks for going to the trouble of posting the tracks. Looks very good to me and I haven't got much of it. What's it called? MG older thread Quote
Parkertown Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 PM coming for The Spoiler & Another Workout! Received these the other day... They're dang-near brand new! Thanks! Oh, and that bonus track on that Mr. T album is the best track on there! Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 No sweat about definitions, Ubu. They're a marketing aid, which means if there is general agreement on what they cover, that can serve as pointers for people to follow to other things. But they're no more than that. I've never come across that set before. Thanks for going to the trouble of posting the tracks. Looks very good to me and I haven't got much of it. What's it called? MG older thread Thanks Ubu. I'll look into that when I've absorbed all my New Orleans, swing bands, Stitt and Cousin Joe boxes (where's the smiley for wiping the sweat off your brow?) MG Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 Thanks Ubu. I'll look into that when I've absorbed all my New Orleans, swing bands, Stitt and Cousin Joe boxes (where's the smiley for wiping the sweat off your brow?) MG, just a word of caution regarding the box set that King Ubu mentioned above. It IS a great one but if you eventually would like to get more of the music recorded by the artists featured on this set during roughly the same period you wil find that a LOT of these Mercury tracks have been reissued elsewhere (particularly the Ammons, Byrd, Vinson, Lee and Humes tracks) so you might end up with these tracks on other reissues over and over again. And I do think all the Rex Steward and Cootie Williams tracks have been reissued on the Chronological Classics CD series as well. So if you are both into Jazz and into R&B you might perhaps be better off checking out the other 8-CD box set mentioned in the earlier set: "The Mercury Blues'n'Rhythm Story 1945-1955". It has a far larger variety of artists and tracks and quite a few that have never been graced with reissues elsewhere. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 9, 2006 Report Posted November 9, 2006 Thanks Ubu. I'll look into that when I've absorbed all my New Orleans, swing bands, Stitt and Cousin Joe boxes (where's the smiley for wiping the sweat off your brow?) MG, just a word of caution regarding the box set that King Ubu mentioned above. It IS a great one but if you eventually would like to get more of the music recorded by the artists featured on this set during roughly the same period you wil find that a LOT of these Mercury tracks have been reissued elsewhere (particularly the Ammons, Byrd, Vinson, Lee and Humes tracks) so you might end up with these tracks on other reissues over and over again. And I do think all the Rex Steward and Cootie Williams tracks have been reissued on the Chronological Classics CD series as well. So if you are both into Jazz and into R&B you might perhaps be better off checking out the other 8-CD box set mentioned in the earlier set: "The Mercury Blues'n'Rhythm Story 1945-1955". It has a far larger variety of artists and tracks and quite a few that have never been graced with reissues elsewhere. Thanks Steve - I've got the Williams and Lee tracks plus one or two by Ammons father & son (pre Joey De & Papa John De) - they're the only ones I have on this comp. Helen Humes, Vinson and Ammons are the two others I'm really keen on in this and I doubt whether I'd be getting round to this material of theirs anytime soon. I have all the Humes Contemporaries to get first. But I'll think about this issue deepy before I decide. MG Quote
Shawn Posted November 12, 2006 Author Report Posted November 12, 2006 up with a few more titles. Quote
trane_fanatic Posted November 12, 2006 Report Posted November 12, 2006 (edited) Lee Morgan - The Procrastinator (TOCJ) (includes bonus session) - $17 Julius Watkins - Sextet Volumes 1 & 2 (Connoisseur) - $15 Jack Wilson - Something Personal (Connoisseur) - $15 Junko Onishi - Cruisin' - $15 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PM for the Watkins Conn and the Onishi. Thanks. You're one of the best sellers on here. Edited November 12, 2006 by trane_fanatic Quote
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