opinions sought on many albums...

[Guest akanalog]

hello. i have some $$$ in my paypal account so i was thinking about making some dustygroove purchases.

does anyone have any positive feelings on any of these albums?

ed thigpen-in copenhagen (resource/action re action)

frank tusa-father time

bernard wright-nard

pharoah sanders-love in us all

pekka pohjola-harakka pialoipokku

albert mangelsdorf-abstractions

rolf and joachim kuhn-east berlin 1966

wojiech karolak-easy!

paul humphrey-america, wake up

wendell harrison-message from the tribe

freddie hubbard-black angel

dizzy gillespie-soul and salvation

hal galper-now hear this

dollar brand-african space program

airto-promises of the sun

cortex-inedit 79

any opinions on any of these are welcome. thank you!

[jazzbo]

I have the Pharoah on lp and really like it. . . but I like these later Impulses . . . . If you do too you'll like this one.

I think I have the Galper too, and if I'm remenbering it right it's quite nice in a 'lectric Milesian way.

[Guest akanalog]

thanks, lon.

the galper has terumasa hino and tony williams and cecil mcbee and is from '77 and is on enja, i think.

so i was expecting something more acoustic than that. nice surprise if you are correct...but i was expecting an acoustsic session.

you are possibly thinking of galper's earlier mainstream stuff (which i like a lot)?

[DMP]

The Hubbard is nice, post-bop - one of his better "Atlantic" titles. The Dizzy is (and I hope I'm remembering correctly - someone please correct me if I'm off base) lousy. The Sanders is good, in a Norman Connors kind of way - almost a "smooth jazz" album. (Interesting how Sanders and Gato, two firebrands, would find themselves in these kind of settings.)

[Eric]

The Hubbard is nice, post-bop - one of his better "Atlantic" titles.

I am less enthusiastic about this one ... I much prefer Backlash and High Blues Pressure, but of course, YMMV ...

Edited October 5, 2006 by Eric

[jazzbo]

thanks, lon.

the galper has terumasa hino and tony williams and cecil mcbee and is from '77 and is on enja, i think.

so i was expecting something more acoustic than that. nice surprise if you are correct...but i was expecting an acoustsic session.

you are possibly thinking of galper's earlier mainstream stuff (which i like a lot)?

You're right, I was confusing this with a Mainstream title.

[Hot Ptah]

I am also not that enthusiastic about the Hubbard title--it looked better on paper than it played, in my humble opinion.

[BeBop]

Frank Tusa. Wow, haven't heard that name,in years. Anything particular inspire that choice?

The albums you're contemplating that I have I don't know well enough to offer an opinion.

[Guest akanalog]

i don't think asking about the frank tusa is so strange.

i asked about him because....i like the albums i have heard him on from this time period and this disc has many of the same cast of players on it.

so you own some of the albums i asked about but you don't have any opinion on them? they left no opinion on even first listen? that isn't a good sign for them.

Edited October 5, 2006 by akanalog

[randyhersom]

I love African Space Program. It's a wild big band date with Hamiet Bluiett, John Stubblefield and other notables, and the closest Dollar Brand would get to Sun Ra.

[king ubu]

The Mangelsdorff is also known as Now Jazz Ramwong, the version that goes as abstraction is on the Wewerka label and has a longer version of one tune that was edited on the original Columbia LP. Terrific album, couw had one cut on his BFT (way back, #7 or something). One of the first instances where european jazz of great originality was created, helluva band with a great bass player (acoustic), two sax players (as and ts/ss) and a very good drummer. They do folksy/asian stuff, weird scales, ballad, etc. mostly stuff influenced by things they heard on a tour through south-east asia in 1964, including "Three Moods", based on a Ravi Shankar theme... not able to put this more coherently now, but don't miss it, if it's indeed the Wewerka edition of what's more commonly known as "Now Jazz Ramwong" - here's the tracklist, in case it helps confirming:

1 Now Jazz Ramwong

(Mangelsdorff)

2 Sakura Waltz

(Mangelsdorff)

3 Blue Fanfare

(Mangelsdorff)

4 Three Jazz Moods

(R. Shankar-Mangelsdorff)

5 Burunkaka

(Mangelsdorff)

6 Raknash

(Lenz-Hübner)

7 Theme from Vietnam

(Mangelsdorff)

8 Es Sungen Drei Engel

(trad. arr. Mangelsdorff)

Oh, the last theme obviously is a traditional, very old, german folk song... beautiful stuff!

[Guest akanalog]

yes ubu, that is it.

there is another one they are selling i forgot to ask about-

manfred schoof-avantgarde

looks like half the disc is a schoof quintet with dudek and von schlippenbach and jaki liebezeit??? on drums and the second part is a rolf and joachim kuhn quintet. i would be interested to hear the can drummer playing some outer jazz....

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

I bought the Hubbard as soon as it came out and sold it very soon afterwards, not just because I was short of cash either.

Very nice cover, however...

MG

[marcello]

thanks, lon.

the galper has terumasa hino and tony williams and cecil mcbee and is from '77 and is on enja, i think.

so i was expecting something more acoustic than that. nice surprise if you are correct...but i was expecting an acoustsic session.

you are possibly thinking of galper's earlier mainstream stuff (which i like a lot)?

I have the Galper and it is all acoustic and very good.

[Chuck Nessa]

Buy 'em all and learn via the bank account.

In some cases you can "learn" to appreciate your purchases. Sometimes not. Lesson learned anyway.

Buy, learn, buy, learn, etc.

[JSngry]

I have the Hubbard on LP and very much enjoy listening to one side of it, the one w/"Coral Keys". The other side pretty much sucks.

[Guest akanalog]

you talkin' cd, vinyl? you gotta do yr own calculus on cost & law of diminishing returns but, off the top of me bean, of sides i have or have heard--

DOLLAR BRAND is great & one of THEE great albums titles. i feel Ibrahim is still pretty slept on by heads but back in the day he was a fave 'discovery.'

HUBBARD blows, buy it on knackered vinyl cheap & be glad you did. in a world of manymanymany records & much Hubbard also... don't bother.

PHAROAH, if it has "To John" on side two, is half chanting (a-side), half INSANE FUCKING BLOWOUT. purple cover w/cutout figures holding hands? i do not think, from yr refined tastes, you would dig that but i thought it was thrilling once upon a time, Farrell's last will & testament before normality & cosmic groovyiess, man, took over completely.

ALBERT M. is very very fine.

KUHN are also good but i wouldn't spend $$$ on.

dunno the Poles or Finns (i'm guessing) but if I'd say hop on, if nuttin' else they'll be lame or just ok in sorta different way.

dunno THAT Manfred Schoof but do you have the Atavistic side already? & the late (disco) Can? the latter's not MY scene at all (I'd much rather PiL influenced by Can) but if you can dig it, it seems "interesting."

signed,

el c

p/s-- Randy, there's at least one more Abdullah that gets Ra-like... what's the side on Chiaroscuro w/Don Cherry & many others, for example? I ain't looking SHIT up anymore, going strictly old-school "memory." (Even it means I "misspell" Chiaroscuro.)

yeah i generally like the polish stuff i have heard. that finish album is more of a prog rock album, i think. with some classical intentions.

i like the atavistic schoof. i also like disco can. i am not sure what that has to do with jaki in 1966, but nonetheless...sure. that first song on that reggae can album is sweet and then the reprise "more more more" whatever. if it came on in a club i would smile and pop a xanax.

i wish the 70s schoof stuff on ECM/Japo was out. that is my favorite stuff by the man.

i do not know why you think my tastes are "refined" but now i remember i have actually heard it. the first song is happy and spiritual and the second side yes was all out. i don't have refined taste but i do not enjoy 20 minute screaming blowouts. i can handle pharoah's blowouts though. they always resolve in a nice place.

that chariscuro abdullah never seems to get positive comments. i don't know why....

i am talking CD here. try to upgrade to digital when i can....

[ep1str0phy]

hello. i have some $$$ in my paypal account so i was thinking about making some dustygroove purchases.

does anyone have any positive feelings on any of these albums?

ed thigpen-in copenhagen (resource/action re action)

frank tusa-father time

bernard wright-nard

pharoah sanders-love in us all

pekka pohjola-harakka pialoipokku

albert mangelsdorf-abstractions

rolf and joachim kuhn-east berlin 1966

wojiech karolak-easy!

paul humphrey-america, wake up

wendell harrison-message from the tribe

freddie hubbard-black angel

dizzy gillespie-soul and salvation

hal galper-now hear this

dollar brand-african space program

airto-promises of the sun

cortex-inedit 79

any opinions on any of these are welcome. thank you!

The Harrison album is great, although don't look for anything above and beyond the rest of the Detroit school (it's par for the course, which is still very good): hard grooves, excellent inside/outside improv, and some of Harrison's best sax work. Caveat: the sound blows (sounds like a mid-quality LP rip).

[Rooster_Ties]

wendell harrison - message from the tribe

The Harrison album is great, although don't look for anything above and beyond the rest of the Detroit school (it's par for the course, which is still very good): hard grooves, excellent inside/outside improv, and some of Harrison's best sax work. Caveat: the sound blows (sounds like a mid-quality LP rip).

Yup, on all counts.

It's not quite as good as the best Detroit/Tribe dates I've ever heard (those would be Phil Ranelin -- Time Is Now! and Marcus Belgrave -- Gemini -- both of which feature Harrison, I might add), but it's still quite good. And for only $10, well worth the price. IMHO, get it.

Edited October 6, 2006 by Rooster_Ties

[B. Goren.]

I love African Space Program. It's a wild big band date with Hamiet Bluiett, John Stubblefield and other notables, and the closest Dollar Brand would get to Sun Ra.

I love this one too.

[king ubu]

That "Avantgarde" disc is alright, but I'm not sure if you'll enjoy it. It's pretty noisy run of the mill avant stuff...

[Guest akanalog]

rooster, excellent point-they have ranelin's "time is now". i will check it out. i do like "vibes from the tribe".

also-oh another disc....how is mal waldron's "hard talk"?

clem-amon dull II...eh. i am not so into rockin' guitars and vocals. i like that daniel secundus felscherscher drummer but in general their songs are too rocking and some of the longer stuff is too messy. i have heard most everything by them-didn't keep anything. in general i find the krautrock i like is just really germans trying to do "jazz-rock" or "fusion" or whatever and the original is better. even when it comes to something like niagara's "S.U.B." or missus beastly stuff. i had like every can album but got rid of all of them too. i still have a lot of bootlegs, though.

[Hot Ptah]

Buy 'em all and learn via the bank account.

In some cases you can "learn" to appreciate your purchases. Sometimes not. Lesson learned anyway.

Buy, learn, buy, learn, etc.

I have been deeply involved in an adult education, self-improvement course all along, and didn't even know it!

[Guest akanalog]

i think axelrod's albums are nice but i don't have to hear them ever again. he did have his own sound and it is powerful in spurts. i think dj shadow ruined it for me.

as a producer i don't care for him and think he was a bit overrated. he seems to get more credit than the musicians sometimes. and a lot of it isn't even that great.

i used to listen to more stuff and i guess now i just now stick with what stuck. being in new york a lot of the time as a young man i would just go into other music and buy albums that looked interesting (back when the selection and categorization was better). i just spent my money (my parents $$$, i guess) on music rather than other fun stuff.

i have gotten my fill of some things and never have to hear them again (a lot of classic blue note stuff, pavement's wowee zowee", can's "monster movie" for instance) and other things continue to give me repeated pleasure over and over (amalgam's "above the rainbow", eddie henderson's "realization").

i have always liked the sound of keyboards so i do search for stuff with keyboards which is tough because by the time ARPs and moogs were really introduced to jazz, the jazz-rock was pretty polished and disco was poking in. so that is a difficult search. which is what leads me to some krautrock, but again-the stuff i like is sort of a "poor mans" fusion (embryo's "steig aus" with mal waldron, for instance) so i don't need to spend much time with it. though i like to check garden of delights latest releases. i am waiting for them to reissue some old klaus weiss sunbirds, for instance.

and prog has too much vocals and singing and guitar and hard rocking generally for my tastes. i don't really still listen to anything like that but i would be amused if someone put on a pulsar album.

but i don't really consider myself a specialist. i do limit myself to mid 60's-early 80s time-wise generally, but within that swath of time i can be open to a reasonable amount of music.

Edited October 6, 2006 by akanalog

[Guest akanalog]

you mean i'm leaving people behind in terms of me having a kindred soul to converse with or i am leaving artists out of the equation. that isn't true-certainly i listen to plenty of musicians who have never touched an electric instrument on record. but i think you meant conversationally.

post-neu like la dusseldorf? it's ok. i used to own some stuff. harmonia i had some also. it was ok. the la dusseldorf i enjoyed most of all but am done with.

haven't heard newest RZA or anything. not spending my $$$ there anymore. if someone plays me something i will listen but since i make no effort i will be behind the ball and i don't really care. i still enjoy MF doom/vik vaughn/geedorah the best production-wise since his source samples are often culled from my areas of musical preference but his beats get boring quickly. i do love him as sherman the giraffe on "perfect hair forever". i would like to hear more people plunder ECM for the hip hop purposes. but i burnt myself out on the wu a long time ago. even saw it live three times.