Soulstation1 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 it's coming out tomorrow this looks like a movie i'd enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Me too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Man. . .has some actors I really don't like much in it. . .(especially Damon). . . I'm passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 When did Scorsese turn crappy? I love the early ones (that Bickel chap and even more so the first mafia film), also "Raging Bull" and "Goodfellas" are good, "Casino" was only so-so, I thought... oh, and against all my expectations I enjoyed "Age of Innocence" quite a lot... and his two cinema documentaries are great, of course, but... of late, it seems he hasn't done anything really that distinctive. And I wonder why he sticks to that babyface Di Caprio, whom I never enjoyed the least bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 When did Scorsese turn crappy? I love the early ones (that Bickel chap and even more so the first mafia film), also "Raging Bull" and "Goodfellas" are good, "Casino" was only so-so, I thought... oh, and against all my expectations I enjoyed "Age of Innocence" quite a lot... and his two cinema documentaries are great, of course, but... of late, it seems he hasn't done anything really that distinctive. And I wonder why he sticks to that babyface Di Caprio, whom I never enjoyed the least bit. I'm seeing the film opening night. Advance word is that its his best since "Goodfellas". I'm a huge fan of Scorsese, and I haven't been this excited to see a film in quite some time. Ubu, I've always respected your knowledge and opinions about film, but I disagree with your comments about Scorsese being crappy. While his most recent work isn't quite on the same level as his earlier stuff, Scorsese isn't the same man either. While these films have their flaws, I've found much to love in "Kundun", "Bringing Out the Dead", "Gangs of NY", and particularly "The Aviator" which I thought was an excellent film, though not a masterpiece. With "Gangs" and "The Aviator", I got the sense that Scorsese was just having fun working in the Hollywood realm of big budgeted epics....sort of "getting it out of his system", if you will. They don't match the innovativeness of the young and hungry Scorsese of the 1970s, but when placed up against other films of that type, I think they far exceed those. His more recent films still exhibit the excellent storytelling ability that he's always had, and stand as strong films, particularly when viewed in that context. As for DiCaprio, unlike most of young Hollywood I think his looks are actually working against him, as he's trying to do important work when he could easily be doing the Ben Afflek / Keanu Reeves thing. However, I think he will eventually turn into a very good, possibly great, actor. He definitely has the potential, and is probably rapidly developing his craft under Scorsese (see the dramatic improvement in his performances between "Gangs of NY" and "The Aviator"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 UNless jack nicholson "chewing scenery" as they say in reference to his UNgodly jiveass UNfuckingbearable overacting: why bother? or at least watch the HK original first so you know how lame & unnecessary Scorcese's remake is. with inside film critic sources, i remain, skeptical-- Shaolin Master Killer The odd thing to me about Nicholson is that the crappier the movie, the better he is. The complete lack of subtlety just doesn't work in a "real" movie. I'd say Five Easy Pieces and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest were his peak, unfortunately. His best appearances since then have been on the Laker's sidelines... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 UNless jack nicholson "chewing scenery" as they say in reference to his UNgodly jiveass UNfuckingbearable overacting: why bother? or at least watch the HK original first so you know how lame & unnecessary Scorcese's remake is. with inside film critic sources, i remain, skeptical-- Shaolin Master Killer The odd thing to me about Nicholson is that the crappier the movie, the better he is. The complete lack of subtlety just doesn't work in a "real" movie. I'd say Five Easy Pieces and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest were his peak, unfortunately. His best appearances since then have been on the Laker's sidelines... He was really good in About Schmidt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 sal, nothing wrong in disagreeing with me, of course! I may be a bit harsh here, but I love "Mean Streets" that much... clem, I was talkin' of those documentaries Scorsese did for british (?) television, two 4-hour films, one about Italian cinema (only going as far as the first important Antonioni and Fellini films, but featuring lots of neorealismo stuff) and an even better one about American cinema (up to I think Kubrick and Cassavetes). His analysis may not be the sharpest, but it's really about creating enthusiasm and sharing love for these films and digging up some lesser known directors or giving props to too easily disregarded people like Douglas Sirk... definitely worth seeing, and Scorsese himself comes across as a very nice man, not full of himself at all, just enjoying all the great stuff he shows you (you can see him in between parts of films, and you can hear lots of his voice, of course... he did all the talking himself). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 And for the record: I never liked Nicholson... not even in "Shining"... fire away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 UNless jack nicholson "chewing scenery" as they say in reference to his UNgodly jiveass UNfuckingbearable overacting: why bother? or at least watch the HK original first so you know how lame & unnecessary Scorcese's remake is. with inside film critic sources, i remain, skeptical-- Shaolin Master Killer The odd thing to me about Nicholson is that the crappier the movie, the better he is. The complete lack of subtlety just doesn't work in a "real" movie. I'd say Five Easy Pieces and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest were his peak, unfortunately. His best appearances since then have been on the Laker's sidelines... He was really good in About Schmidt. Yeah, I'll admit I liked that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 UNless jack nicholson "chewing scenery" as they say in reference to his UNgodly jiveass UNfuckingbearable overacting: why bother? or at least watch the HK original first so you know how lame & unnecessary Scorcese's remake is. with inside film critic sources, i remain, skeptical-- Shaolin Master Killer The odd thing to me about Nicholson is that the crappier the movie, the better he is. The complete lack of subtlety just doesn't work in a "real" movie. I'd say Five Easy Pieces and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest were his peak, unfortunately. His best appearances since then have been on the Laker's sidelines... He was really good in About Schmidt. Yes, "About Schmidt" was Nicholson's best latter day role. Normally he doesn't even act. He just plays the crazy Nicholson character we've all come to expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I thought Jack was good in "As Good As It Gets". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 When did Scorsese turn crappy? I love the early ones (that Bickel chap and even more so the first mafia film), also "Raging Bull" and "Goodfellas" are good, "Casino" was only so-so, I thought... oh, and against all my expectations I enjoyed "Age of Innocence" quite a lot... and his two cinema documentaries are great, of course, but... of late, it seems he hasn't done anything really that distinctive. And I wonder why he sticks to that babyface Di Caprio, whom I never enjoyed the least bit. I'm seeing the film opening night. Advance word is that its his best since "Goodfellas". I'm a huge fan of Scorsese, and I haven't been this excited to see a film in quite some time. They've been saying that about all his films since..... well, "Goodfellas." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Scorses had a more active directorial role in the making of "The Last Waltz," which is a reasonably influential documentary. I'm one of those folks who doesn't think Goodfellas is really that great. Although I have encountered one person recently who felt that Goodfellas was just mediocre and Casino was a masterpiece. I think Goodfellas has good performances and quotable lines, but didn't have any emotional or intellectual oomph for me. I'll take either one, or both, but I came out of that feeling like I had seen a well made movie, just a movie, and that's fine. I just don't understand the "masterpiece" label that it often gets. Or is people's love for it just more in the same way that people "love" Scarface? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 And for the record: I never liked Nicholson... not even in "Shining"... fire away! Ubu, hitting hard on Nicholson, eh? Not my favorite actor but I have a soft spot for his performances in Roman Polanski's 'Chinatown' and Bob Raffelson's 'The King of Marvin Gardens'. Can't imagine any of the current actors matching what he managed to bring to his parts in those films and several other ones. And since this is a Scorcese thread, I'll mention once more how much I admire 'After Hours'. A very runique film. So was 'Taxi Driver'! Too bad I cannot get very excited about his recent films... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Brownie, before I forget, as I have a # of times, where do you stand on Fantomas, any iteration? Andre de Toth lives! I still have to read 'Fantomas'. Loved watching the Louis Feuillade films when they played at the Paris Cinematheque back in Henri Langlois days! de Toth does live! His films stand up better than a lot of more reputed films. Those one-eyed directors (Ford, Walsh and Fritz Lang) had better cinema vision than the two-eyed gender! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I thought Jack was good in "As Good As It Gets". I did too, but that was the one I was thinking of when I said the worse the film, the better he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I've never been that big of a Scorcese fan. Love Taxi Driver, but even that had jarring moments. And now I have trouble watching it because the young DeNiro looks exactly like Toby Maguire to me. I kep expecting him to throw down the gun and start shooting webbing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjluke68 Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 This is a 'remake' of a Hong Kong thriller, Infernal Affairs, which is on DVD and is quite intense. Definitely a nail-biter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelz777 Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) I just saw The Departed today. Quick impressions: -It's not Scorsese's best, but it's certainly not his worst. -I didn't buy Mark Wahlberg in his role. A bit too much, a bit over the top. Seemed somewhat out of place. -The B"ah"ston accents were a mild distraction. -I don't really care much for DiCaprio but he did a decent job. -DiCaprio still belongs to the "worst facial hair" club along with Orlando Bloom. -Nicholson uses his familiar mannerisms and gimmicks we've seen before but he worked for me. -Damon worked for me as well. -At 2 1/2 hours, it didn't drag for me or have me checking my watch. -Maybe I'm too familiar with and my mind's too entrenched in Scorsese's gang movies, but this didn't have a Scorcese "feel" to me. -Cell phones are as important as any actor in this film. -I like surprises and the unexpected and this movie had both. -Definitely worth the price of admission. If you like this type of movie, I recommend that you go and see it. Thumbs up from me. P.S. I saw the previews for Frank Miller's "300". Now that certainly looks interesting. Edited October 6, 2006 by mikelz777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 P.S. I saw the previews for Frank Miller's "300". Now that certainly looks interesting. A bowling movie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelz777 Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) P.S. I saw the previews for Frank Miller's "300". Now that certainly looks interesting. A bowling movie? http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/video_journals.html http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156971402...1161544?ie=UTF8 Edited October 6, 2006 by mikelz777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I've seen the HK movies, all three of them. I found them to be enjoyable, but not on the level of a Johnny To film (see Election), or the crime movies of the late 80's/early 90's HK scene. I am interested in this version, and will probably check itout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 P.S. I saw the previews for Frank Miller's "300". Now that certainly looks interesting. A bowling movie? http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/video_journals.html http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/156971402...1161544?ie=UTF8 Bummer. I was hoping for a Big Lebowski sequal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Just saw "The Departed". Absolutely loved it. The most entertaining, and probably the best American movie I've seen this year so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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