NFL chat thread

[Scott Dolan]

in my opinion, the leader of the players union, an oldtimer himself, carries much of the blame.

Normally I'd agree since I hate that boot licking fuck up. He spent way too much time humping Tagliabue to know which way is up anymore.

BUT, what exactly do you think he could have done?

Edited February 3, 2007 by Scott Dolan

[alocispepraluger102]

in my opinion, the leader of the players union, an oldtimer himself, carries much of the blame.

Normally I'd agree since I hate that boot licking fuck up. He spent way too much time humping Tagliabue to know which way is up anymore.

BUT, what exactly do you think he could have done?

.....show some leadership(put his job on the line) and tell the current players the way it is.

anyone remember marvin miller?

[Scott Dolan]

.....show some leadership(put his job on the line) and tell the current players the way it is.

Gene Upshaw?!

HA!!

[alocispepraluger102]

.....show some leadership(put his job on the line) and tell the current players the way it is.

Gene Upshaw?!

HA!!

when discussing this situation yesterday, the great ditka wouldnt take on the nfl owners either.

he said that the present day players(auctions, funders, etc. could take care of them-------with your and my money, of course)

ditka opined that the number of explayers in really bad shape was ONLY a few hundred.

i see it now. a jerry lewis type telethon with all the corporates kicking in. what great free advertising! a nickel of every bigmac going to the retirees fund!

[alocispepraluger102]

.....show some leadership(put his job on the line) and tell the current players the way it is.

Gene Upshaw?!

HA!!

well, i am drinking a bit.

[Scott Dolan]

You know that saying about not really knowing just how drunk you really are...?

Gene Upshaw is nothing more than a well spoken finger puppet. Always has been, always will be. Great player in his day, but completely out of his depth now.

[connoisseur series500]

Regarding the Ted Johnson affair:

I can't comment on whether BB forced him into practice when he should have been rehabbing, but I can say that Ted Johnson may not be very reliable at this point. After Junior Seau went down late in the season, he publicly declared himself available to leave retirement and play for the Patrioits. He lamented that the Patriots had not contacted him for that purpose.

Huh?

The dude isn't thinking straight. He has apparently lost a lot of weight since he left football. Some people believe that he used steroids throughout his career. He suffered from a bicep tear one year, then his other bicep tore the following year. These are steroid types of injuries. He was always unusually bulked up. It may have affected him mentally.

Now, I don't know if those stories are valid or not, but it does make you wonder with the bicep tears and the strange behavior since retirement. He apparently is hooked on amphetamines.

I just hope he recovers and I would support the Patriot organization helping him out if his medical condition outruns his money. He was a good player for the team, even if he was frequently injured. I just don't think the guy is thinking straight.

[ghost of miles]

Lots of divided loyalties down in Bloomington today. Rex Grossman grew up here and played for Bloomington North High School; lots of students from Da Region, too. There was a story in the paper the other day about how some of the frats are going to have separate TV-viewing rooms for Colts & Bears fans. I had breakfast at the vegetarian restaurant on the downtown square today, and even the counterculture-inclined staff there (some of them, anyway) were talking about where they were going to be watching the game tonight.

Edited February 4, 2007 by ghost of miles

[Dan Gould]

Regarding the Ted Johnson affair:

I can't comment on whether BB forced him into practice when he should have been rehabbing, but I can say that Ted Johnson may not be very reliable at this point. After Junior Seau went down late in the season, he publicly declared himself available to leave retirement and play for the Patrioits. He lamented that the Patriots had not contacted him for that purpose.

Huh?

The dude isn't thinking straight. He has apparently lost a lot of weight since he left football. Some people believe that he used steroids throughout his career. He suffered from a bicep tear one year, then his other bicep tore the following year. These are steroid types of injuries. He was always unusually bulked up. It may have affected him mentally.

Now, I don't know if those stories are valid or not, but it does make you wonder with the bicep tears and the strange behavior since retirement. He apparently is hooked on amphetamines.

I just hope he recovers and I would support the Patriot organization helping him out if his medical condition outruns his money. He was a good player for the team, even if he was frequently injured. I just don't think the guy is thinking straight.

In other words, Paul, you're circling the wagons around the illustrious, brilliant coach.

The uncontrovertible facts are that

A) He had a concussion

B) at the next practice he attended, he was initially given a blue shirt signifying full contact but he complained to the head trainer, who assured him it was a mistake and that he should have on a red jersey for minimal contact.

C) Then out of the blue, a trainer showed up and gave him a blue shirt immediately before an especially brutal drill in which a RB goes through the line and he's supposed to step up and clobber him.

D) He suffered another concussion immediately thereafter

Who other than the head coach could possibly order such a thing? It is obvious that Belichick ordered the blue jersey in the first place, and only because he complained was he given the red jersey at the start of practice. Then Belichick forced the red jersey on him, and he got hurt again.

There's no question that back-to-back concussions occuring within four days goes a long way toward explaining his current problems (which, by the way, have virtually no chance of improvement - his brain is permanently damaged and the only thing his doctors try to do is to minimize the impact on his day-to-day ability to function).

What do steroids possibly have to do with a messed up brain??? Tendon/ligament/muscle injuries due to steroid abuse? Sure. But I have never heard anyone suggest that steroid abuse results in what is essentially early onset Alzheimers.

And his amphetamine addiction??? A direct result of the symptoms he's experienced from his head injuries. He was prescribed amphetamines to counteract the sluggish effects of prozac and other drugs. How you get from that to the idea that its somehow effecting what he says happened to him is shocking to me.

It sounds like few people here are aware of the article in the Globe. I suggest you read it.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...end_up_like_me/

[connoisseur series500]

As mentioned in the first sentence of my post, I cannot defend BB on the forced practice, but I stand by my comments that Ted seems a little loose in the head right now. How do you explain his irrational attempts to rejoin the Patriots this year?

Lyle Alzado's moods were affected by his steroid abuse. It led to irraitonal rages and such. No, it might not affect a player's brains, but it does affect his emotions.

No, I am not defending BB or any other NFL coach on this matter. But I also think that Ted is not entirely reliable either. That's all.

[Chuck Nessa]

Football fans who might be Bud Freeman fans should see my post in the Artists thread.

[Soulstation1]

very freakin' sloppy game

[Soulstation1]

SOB

these guys won the first 2 quarters on my square sheet

those mfers won $250 on the

6 colts

4 bears

14 - 6 first quarter bears

16 - 14 second quarter colts

DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soulstation1]

rex is lookin' like slop

[Soulstation1]

game over

Rex just threw a Pick 6

[Soulstation1]

shit

another INT

[Chuck Nessa]

All "props" to Mark, Rachel and David.

Great victory.

[Dan Gould]

As mentioned in the first sentence of my post, I cannot defend BB on the forced practice, but I stand by my comments that Ted seems a little loose in the head right now. How do you explain his irrational attempts to rejoin the Patriots this year?

Lyle Alzado's moods were affected by his steroid abuse. It led to irraitonal rages and such. No, it might not affect a player's brains, but it does affect his emotions.

No, I am not defending BB or any other NFL coach on this matter. But I also think that Ted is not entirely reliable either. That's all.

Have you considered that he might be "loose in the head" due to his head injuries?

And yes, people have 'roid rages. While they are using them, or getting off of the drugs. But steroids as an explanation years later? give me a break.

[Chalupa]

Congrats to the Colts and their fans. Condolences to the Bears and their fans.

I do have to say, as an impartial observer w/ no rooting interest in the game, that one thing really stood out for me about SB XLI.....

Rex Grossman really sucked.

Chin up Chicago fans - you've got a great young defense, a solid running game, and Jeff Garcia is an FA.

[Aggie87]

Congrats to the Colts and their fans. Condolences to the Bears and their fans.

I do have to say, as an impartial observer w/ no rooting interest in the game, that one thing really stood out for me about SB XLI.....

Rex Grossman really sucked.

Chin up Chicago fans - you've got a great young defense, a solid running game, and Jeff Garcia is an FA.

I think things were going the way the Bears wanted until they got to the point that they had to put it on Grossman's arm. It let them down. How much of that is due to the weather I don't know.

Congrats to the Colts and their fans! Classy game for the most part, too.

PS - Billy Joel's National Anthem didn't do much for me. Prince was ok at halftime, though I think it wasn't his best performance either. He can still rock though!

[Soulstation1]

peyton didn't have any probs with the rain

[Chuck Nessa]

PS - Billy Joel's National Anthem didn't do much for me. Prince was ok at halftime, though I think it wasn't his best performance either. He can still rock though!

I think all the extraneous "entertainment" was really lame. I'm not sure why the NFL lets this shit continue.

I know "money" is the answer but the "money" diminishes the game for me.

[Chuck Nessa]

peyton didn't have any probs with the rain

Did you watch?

[connoisseur series500]

Congrats to the Colts!

I did pick da Bears to win on a "feeling."

That "feeling" was wrong!

[Larry Kart]

My gut feeling is that Manning had problems with the rain but made a reasonable adjustment because he and the Colts had to, given the nature of their offense, but that the Bears' offensive brain trust, given the weather and the fact that they had the lead for a good while in the first half, decided to put the training wheels back on Grossman, which was a big mistake in at least two ways -- it robbed their offense, and Grossman in particular, of any semblance of variety and aggressiveness and left the Bears defense on the field to get worn down and figured out. And once the Bears de-balled their offense by pretty much taking away the possibility that they might pass, they could never get it or Grossman back in gear again. Of course, maybe this was a night when Rex was never going to get in gear no matter what and/or the Colts were just the better team, but even so, I think that Ron Turner coughed up a hairball. On the other hand, offensive co-ordinator is a very difficult stressful occupation. Another little thing that bugged the hell out of me --that play in the first half, after the Colt's first squib kickoff, when the Bears put Hester for the next kickoff at about the 30-yard-line and had Rashid Davis deep. Way too cute and nervous, and it sure didn't work. That felt to me like a significant momentum-changer.

Edited February 5, 2007 by Larry Kart