Jazztropic Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Picked up some great Cootie Williams cds this week( CW In Hi-Fi and 1941-1944).He is a great plunger mute trumpeter.Is the Fresh Sound issue "The Big Challenge" a must have set? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Have not heard the Fresh Sound issue but do have the original Jazztone lp and love it. The idea is 2 trumpets, 2 tenors, 2 trombones and rhythm. The others are Rex Stewart, Bud Freeman, Coleman Hawkins, Lawrence Brown, JC Higginbotham, Hank Jones, Billy Bauer, Milt Hinton and Gus Johnson. What's not to like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 What's not to like? Not a damn thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Bud is in topnotch and very feisty form, and Hawkins replies in kind. All the horns are great to hear, but the Freeman-Hawkins thing is special. And that's one heck of a rhythm section, with special credit to Gus Johnson and Billy Bauer, who as I recall once stated that he was very proud of his work on this date, felt that it was a privilege to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Another thumbs up for a real classic session! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Great album. Do not miss out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 ditto; I've not heard this for quite a while but I remember it being a fine session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 What's not to like? Not a damn thing! Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 What's not to like? Not a damn thing! Exactly. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Can anybody help me find "Cootie & Rex - The Big Challenge" on cd? much thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 Available from Amazon.fr Great session! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Available from Amazon.fr Great session! thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 Double thanks Brownie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 (edited) hmmmm.....I never liked it that much. Primarily because I find Cootie's non-Duke work lacking in edge. Everybody else is fine. but I would go with the majority opinion here. Edited October 22, 2010 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 hmmmm.....I never liked it that much. Primarily because I find Cootie's non-Duke work lacking in edge. Everybody else is fine. but I would go with the majority opinion here. Nitpicker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 also, I think (haven't listened to it in a long time) I never liked the SOUND on that recording - too much echo/reverb (sorry, another nit) - was it done in Webster Hall? Because I usually like the sound of that room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 also, I think (haven't listened to it in a long time) I never liked the SOUND on that recording - too much echo/reverb (sorry, another nit) - was it done in Webster Hall? Because I usually like the sound of that room. I used to have a copy of the Fresh Sound reissue. The sound bothered me and I ended up trading it. Not sure if I heard what Allen heard, but the sound spoiled the music for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 22, 2010 Report Share Posted October 22, 2010 (edited) a lot of '50s jazz recordings were made in rooms that were used so the sound could have a natural reverberation. Sometimes this worked well, sometimes not (the afformentioned Webster Hall was the locale of zillions of sessions). I've always disliked a lot of the Vanguard recordings from this era because they were too reverberant (some might have been from the early '60s). Some of the Columbia Jimmy Rushings have the same problem, IIRC. Edited October 22, 2010 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 also, I think (haven't listened to it in a long time) I never liked the SOUND on that recording - too much echo/reverb (sorry, another nit) - was it done in Webster Hall? Because I usually like the sound of that room. The liner notes of the Jazztone LP (reprinted on the FS reissue) say indeed the recording was made in Webster Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Can anybody help me find "Cootie & Rex - The Big Challenge" on cd? much thanks Also seems to be available from an Amazon Reseller in your neighborhood: Amazon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 a bit pricey - but thanks. hopefully i'll find it used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Christensen Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I second that, great album, have had it for many years now, listened to it recently and still enjoy it very much Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffcrom Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 also, I think (haven't listened to it in a long time) I never liked the SOUND on that recording - too much echo/reverb (sorry, another nit) - was it done in Webster Hall? Because I usually like the sound of that room. Thought I posted something like the following before leaving the house eight hours ago, but I guess I hit the wrong button: I listened to my mono Jazztone LP of this session today, and thought it sounded great - very natural sounding. But I have a Coleman Hawkins LP with an alternate take from the session, and that track sounds very cavernous and artificial. I'm guessing that someone made an "improved" master after the original issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I have always liked the music on the Fresh Sound CD, but do agree that the sound is not the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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