Kyo Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 (edited) Or to put it another way: If I buy a Japanese jewelcase version can I be sure not to get a JRVG? Edited August 10, 2006 by Kyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 yes, all japanese RVG issues come in mini-lp format... if you pick up a jewelcased japanese bluenote, it can be one of basically three issues; 1. the most recent 24-bit 1500 Yen issue 2. the prior BN works (what most refer to as the "TOCJ" series) issue 3. the first generation toshiba pressings, scarce as they are, which are earmarked by less refined graphics and label printing (not to mention sound that, to simplify, sounds like a lot of OJC pressings) regards, -e- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) yes, all japanese RVG issues come in mini-lp format... if you pick up a jewelcased japanese bluenote, it can be one of basically three issues; 1. the most recent 24-bit 1500 Yen issue 2. the prior BN works (what most refer to as the "TOCJ" series) issue 3. the first generation toshiba pressings, scarce as they are, which are earmarked by less refined graphics and label printing (not to mention sound that, to simplify, sounds like a lot of OJC pressings) regards, -e- Many if not most of the last group mentioned above, the first generation Toshiba pressings, have the same masterings as their U.S. counterparts, while the first and second groups, the most recent 24-bit 1500 Yen reissues and the older "Blue Note Works" TOCJs, were remastered by Toshiba engineers. Edited August 10, 2006 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted August 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) Thanks! I'm going to order some of the more recent 1500 Yen remasters later this week then. I just want to avoid those weird-sounding JRVGs at all costs (even if some of them sound good it's hard to keep track which ones are problematic). Edited August 10, 2006 by Kyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 In my limited experience (I've heard 7 or 8 discs), the 1500 Yen CDs are as unpredictable as the JRVGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted August 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 In my limited experience (I've heard 7 or 8 discs), the 1500 Yen CDs are as unpredictable as the JRVGs. No! Don't say things like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 In my limited experience (I've heard 7 or 8 discs), the 1500 Yen CDs are as unpredictable as the JRVGs. They are - to say the least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 There seems to be a further selected reissue of JRVGs in the pipeline, due from October. Maybe they will not be paper sleeves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Unfortunately, many of the newer 1500 series TOCJs sound compressed to my ears. It would seem that the Japanese engineers have fallen for the "Louder is better" mantra. It's not looking good for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I just don't want to avoid those weird-sounding JRVGs at all costs (even if some of them sound good it's hard to keep track which ones are problematic). You mean you Want to avoid ....etc. I only have one of the 1500 yen cds, the Blues Walk by Lu Donaldson. Sounds ok. To my ears the tocj's are the best sounding BN cds en masse. Wish they'd include the bonus tracks though... But this has been discussed ad nauseum for the last 6 or 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samnat Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Some of the JRVGs were combined into 2CD jewel cases and imported from Japan, proinently displaying JRVG with bonus tracks and a fat obi. I have the 2CD Blue Note Monk and the Jazz Messengers 2CD from Birdland. I also saw the JM from the Cafe Bohemia in the same format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) never seen 'em - have a catalog number? china, korea, and other asian countries place obi-strips around their releases. -e- ps: all pressings are going to be somewhat inconsistent and not pleasing everyone because their masters are inconsistent. Edited August 10, 2006 by etherbored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 china, korea, and other asian countries place obi-strips around their releases. Stupid question I've been meaning to ask for a long time: OBI="original box and inserts"? or something else? ( I know what an OBI strip is--just wondering about the derivation of the term.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) china, korea, and other asian countries place obi-strips around their releases. Stupid question I've been meaning to ask for a long time: OBI="original box and inserts"? or something else? ( I know what an OBI strip is--just wondering about the derivation of the term.) As far as I know "obi" is the Japanese word for sash. Edited August 10, 2006 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) the obi is the belt to the kimono, hence its nickname for the rectangular strip of paper that translates into japanese (et al) the details of the package it represents. "obi strips", or something equivalent, are on all sorts of consumer goods in japan... -e- Edited August 10, 2006 by etherbored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Some of the JRVGs were combined into 2CD jewel cases and imported from Japan, proinently displaying JRVG with bonus tracks and a fat obi. I have the 2CD Blue Note Monk and the Jazz Messengers 2CD from Birdland. I also saw the JM from the Cafe Bohemia in the same format. I've got the Kenny Dorham Cafe Bohemia and Sonny Clark Trios in this two cd format. There was also the Miles Davis material. Not sure that the JJ made it to this format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 As far as I know "obi" is the Japanese word for sash. the obi is the belt to the kimono, hence its nickname for the rectangular strip of paper that translates into japanese (et al) the details of the package it represents. "obi strips", or something equivalent, are on all sorts of consumer goods in japan... -e- Thanks, guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert h. Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 There are actually more than 3 Japanese Blue Note reissue campaigns. There was also the HSS campaign and more here and there. Mostly the original series were simply taken from the American CD masterings and generally reflect the era they were made in - sound is lackluster and not terribly faithful to the tapes. The TOCJ's are liked by some but I suspect that has more to do with harsh, un-natural sounding CD players than any qualities of the transfers, because I find them overall soft, diffuse, lacking detail - not so great. But I can see why that might be a tonic for screeching CD players. The RVG's in general are superb. Whether they represent the original vinyl faithfully is irrelevant and arbitrary, they are overwhelmingly the best possible representation of the material in 2006. The newest Japanese series of 24bit remasters are curiously good. They completely supercede any previous issue other than the RVG, and even compared to those, it becomes a matter of taste - they are less of an interpretation than the RVG's, which is valid, and are not as crisp and detailed but are very musical, relaxed and have good detail. I wish both the Japanese 24 bit series and the RVG series would continue, the Japanese have long led the way on Blue Note reissues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherbored Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 The newest Japanese series of 24bit remasters are curiously good. They completely supercede any previous issue other than the RVG, and even compared to those, it becomes a matter of taste - they are less of an interpretation than the RVG's, which is valid, and are not as crisp and detailed but are very musical, relaxed and have good detail. agreed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 of course plenty of the RVGs and TOCJ24s are only liked by those who like to play their CDs in the car or on kitchen boom boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Son-of-a-Weizen Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Some of the JRVGs were combined into 2CD jewel cases and imported from Japan, proinently displaying JRVG with bonus tracks and a fat obi. I have the 2CD Blue Note Monk and the Jazz Messengers 2CD from Birdland. I also saw the JM from the Cafe Bohemia in the same format. Right....there were (are) Dorham, Monk, Miles, J.J., Blakey (Birdland & Bohemia), Clark, Powell, Rollins and Jimmy Smith JRVG sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Indeed there's going to be a new RvG series in Japan in jewel case with all the bonus material which was on their US counterparts. The 2 CD sets with Complete Series on it has catalog numbers TOCJ-661xx. Not Korean but real Japanese cd's with the RvG remasters (sam as the US ones). The booklets in these are fabulous. Loads of Francis Wolff foto's and the original artworks are included, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Interesting news, Reinier. So, for example, they would do something like bundle up Una Mas, Whistle Stop and Trompetta and release it as a 2-disc Dorham jewel box set to compliment the existing 'Round About Midnight' set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluerein Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 No Son, they are just regular reissues of 1 cd. Just got the new release mail of Hiroshi with more in these series (so I guess you have it as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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