The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 23, 2006 Report Posted June 23, 2006 Just a quick note to say I found out this morning that the new GG will be issued in Britain a day BEFORE it comes out in the US. So the quickest and cheapest way for UK residents to get it will be from their local record shop. I've been told Spillers will be selling it at £4.99 or £5.99. MG Quote
Bluerein Posted June 23, 2006 Report Posted June 23, 2006 Are there other reissues in the same batch (if there is a batch in the first place)? Quote
Eric Posted June 23, 2006 Report Posted June 23, 2006 Has anyone seen a track listing? In the US, it looks like there is also a Jimmy McGriff big band record coming out on BN the same day. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...355854238&BAB=M Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 23, 2006 Author Report Posted June 23, 2006 Yes - according to the blurb I picked up in the shop, which doesn't say much, there's the McGriff, which appears to be the reissue of Solid State 17001/18001 - not a bad album but there are much better McGriffs on EMI labels to reissue in my view. There's also a Joe Lovano - Streams of expression - I know nowt about this. Two Nancy Wilsons - Hollywood and Broadway my way, which I might pick up sometime 4 compilations BN plays Billie, Cole Porter, Gershwin, Rodgers & Hart. MG Quote
sidewinder Posted June 23, 2006 Report Posted June 23, 2006 I'm looking forward to this new Grant Green. I suspect that the FOP stores might be selling it around the £5 mark (as they tend to do for the budget price Blue Notes). Quote
Bluerein Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 The Nancy WIlson's both have bonus tracks. The McGriff doesn't. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 24, 2006 Author Report Posted June 24, 2006 Has anyone seen a track listing? Not yet, Eric; only what's in the BN discography and that's material covering two evenings of recording. All were repeated on the different sets. Titles recorded were: Patches (4) More today than yesterday (3) One less bell to answer (2) Bottom of the barrel (2) Jan Jan (4) Make it easy on yourself (2) Farid (2) One more chance (5) I am somebody (2) Glenda (2) Walk on by (3) MG Quote
Bluerein Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Since most tracks are rejected these are the likely tunes for the cd: January 6, 1971, Set #1: Farid Set #2: Bottom of the Barrel I am Somebody Walk on by Set #3: One more Chance January 7, 1971, Set #1: More Today than Yesterday Set #2: Glenda Make it easy on yourself Set #3: Jan Jan Patches One more Chance (probably ony one of the 2) Quote
Eric Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Cover art, courtesy of Wal-Mart. If someone can post it here directly, please do so!! http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?...529820636732232 Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Is this going to be in the mediocre boogaloo vein of "Alive" and "Lighthouse?" Will Grant's performance at Mozambique find him soloing over chord changes--or just endlessly repetitive one chord vamps? Has anyone heard a boot of this material so far? Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 24, 2006 Author Report Posted June 24, 2006 Cover art, courtesy of Wal-Mart. If someone can post it here directly, please do so!! http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?...529820636732232 Bleedin' awful sleeve. Couldn't they have found a photo? MG Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 24, 2006 Author Report Posted June 24, 2006 Is this going to be in the mediocre boogaloo vein of "Alive" and "Lighthouse?" Will Grant's performance at Mozambique find him soloing over chord changes--or just endlessly repetitive one chord vamps? Has anyone heard a boot of this material so far? They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Quote
Shawn Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 I'll take all the one chord vamps I can get if Grant Green is soloing over them!!!! Bring this puppy on! Quote
robertoart Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Is this going to be in the mediocre boogaloo vein of "Alive" and "Lighthouse?" Will Grant's performance at Mozambique find him soloing over chord changes--or just endlessly repetitive one chord vamps? Has anyone heard a boot of this material so far? They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Live at the Lighthouse is unsurpassed for intensity. The atmosphere captured on that recording is unbelievable IMHO.....and I love all Grant's music. matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. Thanks for the link. Looks like they've managed to represent all the tracks except the one called Glenda. I'm sure this session will have it's own unique vibe just like Alive and Lighthouse are both different. I think the presence of Houston Person on this will make it even more so. Also no Claude Bartee. Quote
Aftab Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 didn't even know this was slated for release - oh, it will be mine, oh yes! Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 (edited) Is this going to be in the mediocre boogaloo vein of "Alive" and "Lighthouse?" Will Grant's performance at Mozambique find him soloing over chord changes--or just endlessly repetitive one chord vamps? Has anyone heard a boot of this material so far? They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Live at the Lighthouse is unsurpassed for intensity. The atmosphere captured on that recording is unbelievable IMHO.....and I love all Grant's music. matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. Thanks for the link. Looks like they've managed to represent all the tracks except the one called Glenda. I'm sure this session will have it's own unique vibe just like Alive and Lighthouse are both different. I think the presence of Houston Person on this will make it even more so. Also no Claude Bartee. No rub intended against Grant. I just think much of his commerical / boogaloo output during this period 1969-1979 was below his abilities. The presence of Houston Person on this Mozambique date looks promising--as he is an amazing soul-jazz saxophonist. But I suspect this is more of the same "Alive" type material. But being a big Green fan, I will probably pick this up for a listen. Any new Green on CD is cause for celebration. But I prefer his blues/soul jazz and straight ahead period 1959-1966. I wish they would also release more of the rejected vault material from that period, as all of his early Blue Note Lps have been reissued. Edited June 24, 2006 by monkboughtlunch Quote
monkboughtlunch Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Also, what is the source material for this CD? Is this a Van Gelder recording? Have they recently found the multitracks? Is this a first generation mono mixdown? Why would a mono mix even exist? Mono lps were phased out by 1971. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 i kind of disagree with you, mbl. i dislike the standard lou donaldson style boogaloo stuff, but grant green at the lighthouse is some intense music! no one is just going through the motions on that one. Quote
Eric Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. ditto Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 24, 2006 Author Report Posted June 24, 2006 Is this going to be in the mediocre boogaloo vein of "Alive" and "Lighthouse?" Will Grant's performance at Mozambique find him soloing over chord changes--or just endlessly repetitive one chord vamps? Has anyone heard a boot of this material so far? They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Live at the Lighthouse is unsurpassed for intensity. The atmosphere captured on that recording is unbelievable IMHO.....and I love all Grant's music. matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. Thanks for the link. Looks like they've managed to represent all the tracks except the one called Glenda. I'm sure this session will have it's own unique vibe just like Alive and Lighthouse are both different. I think the presence of Houston Person on this will make it even more so. Also no Claude Bartee. Yes, pity no Bartee - I like hm a lot. But Clarence Thomas played some realy good stuff with Idris Muhammad. MG Quote
robertoart Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Is this going to be in the mediocre boogaloo vein of "Alive" and "Lighthouse?" Will Grant's performance at Mozambique find him soloing over chord changes--or just endlessly repetitive one chord vamps? Has anyone heard a boot of this material so far? They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Live at the Lighthouse is unsurpassed for intensity. The atmosphere captured on that recording is unbelievable IMHO.....and I love all Grant's music. matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. Thanks for the link. Looks like they've managed to represent all the tracks except the one called Glenda. I'm sure this session will have it's own unique vibe just like Alive and Lighthouse are both different. I think the presence of Houston Person on this will make it even more so. Also no Claude Bartee. No rub intended against Grant. I just think much of his commerical / boogaloo output during this period 1969-1979 was below his abilities. The presence of Houston Person on this Mozambique date looks promising--as he is an amazing soul-jazz saxophonist. But I suspect this is more of the same "Alive" type material. But being a big Green fan, I will probably pick this up for a listen. Any new Green on CD is cause for celebration. But I prefer his blues/soul jazz and straight ahead period 1959-1966. I wish they would also release more of the rejected vault material from that period, as all of his early Blue Note Lps have been reissued. Having found out about the other two Verve sessions only very recently via jazzdisco I guess they would be the ones I would perhaps want to hear above all others. To find out from posts here that it appears they no longer exist is a real 'soul jazz' heartbreaker. So I guess I'll saviour Club Mozambique even more because of that. Anyway it'll be great to be able to read here how people respond to their first hearings of this historic session. Quote
Bluerein Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 These are the tracks confirmed by MC himself: January 6, 1971 Set #1 Patches CD 00946 3 63522 20 Set #2 Bottom of the barrel-1 CD 00946 363522 20 January 7, 1971 Set #1: One more chance-1 CD 00946 3 63522 20 Set #2: I am somebody CD 00946 3 63522 20 Set #3 Walk on by CD 00946 3 63522 20 Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 24, 2006 Author Report Posted June 24, 2006 Is this going to be in the mediocre boogaloo vein of "Alive" and "Lighthouse?" Will Grant's performance at Mozambique find him soloing over chord changes--or just endlessly repetitive one chord vamps? Has anyone heard a boot of this material so far? They weren't mediochre boogaloo albums; they were MFin' GREAT boogaloo albums. And YES ! I'm damn sure it's going to be in that vein. Looking forward to it greatly, thanks. MG Live at the Lighthouse is unsurpassed for intensity. The atmosphere captured on that recording is unbelievable IMHO.....and I love all Grant's music. matter of fact I think my favourite Grant Green period is the one from about 1959-1979. Thanks for the link. Looks like they've managed to represent all the tracks except the one called Glenda. I'm sure this session will have it's own unique vibe just like Alive and Lighthouse are both different. I think the presence of Houston Person on this will make it even more so. Also no Claude Bartee. No rub intended against Grant. I just think much of his commerical / boogaloo output during this period 1969-1979 was below his abilities. The presence of Houston Person on this Mozambique date looks promising--as he is an amazing soul-jazz saxophonist. But I suspect this is more of the same "Alive" type material. But being a big Green fan, I will probably pick this up for a listen. Any new Green on CD is cause for celebration. But I prefer his blues/soul jazz and straight ahead period 1959-1966. I wish they would also release more of the rejected vault material from that period, as all of his early Blue Note Lps have been reissued. Soul Jazz, right from the start in the '40s, had the same objective as R&B - entertainment for black adults. So, as R&B changed, Soul Jazz changed in parallel. The most important people to develop R&B in the period between the mid fifties and mid sixties were Soul Jazz musicians anyway - Ray Charles and James Brown. GG's early recordings were part of the implementation of Soul Jazz that equated to Soul music. His later ones equated to Funk. But they were ALL Soul Jazz. The later ones were not "more commercial" than the earlier ones; they simply equated to what black customers wanted at the time. Thus, in terms of the prime audience, the earlier material had become "uncommercial", simply through the passage of time. MG Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 24, 2006 Report Posted June 24, 2006 Soul Jazz, right from the start in the '40s, had the same objective as R&B - entertainment for black adults. So, as R&B changed, Soul Jazz changed in parallel. The most important people to develop R&B in the period between the mid fifties and mid sixties were Soul Jazz musicians anyway - Ray Charles and James Brown. Please identify the specific bands/records which identified "soul jazz ... right from the start in the '40s". Quote
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