sal Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Anybody know if these are going to remain in print? I was noticing that at CD universe all the ones I queried on are backordered since May. Has anyone heard anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bol Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 It's certainly beginning to look that way. Really a crying shame. Of all the remastering formats, 20-bit K2 is my favorite. Recordings seemed very natural to my ears, and did not have that harsh, steroid-pumped sound of some of the RVGs. Another sign that the Western civilization is crumbling that Concord has decided to issue RVGs rather than K2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Whatever the outcome, find the K2 of Monk's Music. It is wonderful. Life expanding music, perfectly presented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Shearn Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 already got it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted June 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 It's certainly beginning to look that way. Really a crying shame. Of all the remastering formats, 20-bit K2 is my favorite. Recordings seemed very natural to my ears, and did not have that harsh, steroid-pumped sound of some of the RVGs. Another sign that the Western civilization is crumbling that Concord has decided to issue RVGs rather than K2s. I agree. The K2's always sounded much better to my ears than the RVGs. I would understand them no longer making new K2's, but discontinuing the ones already in print would be a horrible move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I think it's a shame if that's happening, though I'm really enjoying the RVGs I've got from Blue Note and Concord (and the Impulse remasterings). To each their own I guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 (edited) I can understand that they don't want to keep 3-4 versions of the same album in print (OJC, K2, SACD, now RVG). It would be logical to delete the OJC release of these titles. But maybe they have loads of them in stock, while the K2s would need to be repressed, so they dump the K2s. Edited June 12, 2006 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 It was bad enough when they dropped the SACD's. I hope they don't drop the K2's as well, but it is looking that way as others have mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverrat Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Can someone provide a list of this series? I have not been following it very closely, but I do have a couple. I agree that this series is great sounding, more natural than many RVGs. Also, what are some of the "must haves"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 (edited) Here's the K2 list from november 2004, the latest entry of the old Fantasy website in the Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20041022080505/...antasyjazz.com/ New titles: Dave Brubeck Quartet Jazz at the College of the Pacific ~ FTB-3223-2 ~ $14.98 Vince Guaraldi Trio A Boy Named Charlie Brown ~ FTB-8430-2 ~ $14.98 Joe Pass Blues for Fred ~ PATB-2310-931-2 ~ $14.98 Miles Davis Collectors' Items ~ PRTB-7044-2 ~ $14.98 Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers Ugetsu ~ RITB-9464-2 ~ $14.98 Coleman Hawkins ~ The Hawk Flies High ~ RITB-233-2 ~ $14.98 Currently Available 20-bit Titles: CONTEMPORARY Hampton Hawes The Trio: vol. 1 ~ CCD-3505-2 ~ $14.98 Everybody Likes Hampton Hawes/The Trio: vol. 3 ~ CCD-3523-2 ~ $14.98 Art Pepper + Eleven Modern Jazz Classics ~ CCD-7568-2 ~ $14.98 Shelly Manne My Fair Lady ~ CCD-7527-2 ~ $14.98 Sonny Rollins Way Out West ~ CCD-7530-2 ~ $14.98 Art Peper Meets the Rhythm Section ~ CCD-7532-2 ~ $14.98 Barney Kessel with Shelly Manne, Ray Brown The Poll Winners ~ CCD- 7535-2 ~ $14.98 Benny Carter Jazz Giant ~ CCD-7555-2 ~ $14.95 Art Pepper Smack Up ~ CCD-7602-2 ~ $14.98 DEBUT The Quintet Jazz at Massey Hall ~ DCD-124-2 ~ $14.98 FANTASY Dave Brubeck Quartet Jazz at Oberlin ~ FCD-3245-2 ~ $14.98 The Vince Guaraldi Trio Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus ~ FCD-8089-2 ~ $14.98 The Tony Bennett/Bill Evans Album ~ FCD-9489-2 ~ $14.98 NEW JAZZ Tommy Flanagan/John Coltrane/Kenny Burrell The Cats ~ NJCD-8217-2 ~ $14.98 Eric Dolphy At the Five Spot, vol. 1 ~ NJCD-8260-2 ~ $14.98 PABLO Joe Pass Virtuoso ~ PACD-2310-708-2 ~ $14.98 Count Basie Basie Big Band ~ PACD-2310-756-2 ~ $14.98 Ella Fitzgerald & Oscar Peterson Ella & Oscar ~ PACD-2310-759-2 ~ $14.98 Duke Ellington The Ellington Suites ~ PACD-2310-762-2 ~ $14.98 Sarah Vaughan & The Count Basie Orchestra Send in the Clowns ~ PACD-2312-130-2 ~ $14.98 Ella Fitzgerald Ella Abraça Jobim ~ PACD-2630-201-2 ~ $14.98~ $14.98 PRESTIGE Milt Jackson Quartet ~ PRCD-7003-2 ~ $14.98 MJQ Concorde ~ PRCD-7005-2 ~ $14.98 Sonny Rollins Worktime ~ PRCD-7020-2 ~ $14.98 Thelonious Monk Trio ~ PRCD-7027-2 ~ $14.98 Sonny Rollins with the Modern Jazz Quartet ~ PRCD-7029-2 ~ $14.98 Sonny Rollins Plus 4 ~ PRCD-7038-2 ~ $14.98 Sonny Rollins Tenor Madness ~ PRCD-7047-2 ~ $14.98 Jackie McLean 4, 5 and 6 ~ PRCD-7048-2 ~ $14.98 The Modern Jazz Quartet Django ~ PRCD-7057-2 ~ $14.98 Thelonious Monk and Sonny Rollins ~ PRCD-7075-2 ~ $14.98 Miles Davis All Stars Walkin’ ~ PRCD-7076-2 ~ $14.98 Sonny Rollins Saxophone Colossus ~ PRCD-7079-2 ~ $14.98 Red Garland's Piano ~ PRCD-7086-2 ~ $14.98 Miles Davis Cookin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ~ PRCD-7094-2 ~ $14.98 John Coltrane Coltrane ~ PRCD-7105-2 ~ $14.98 Miles Davis Bags' Groove ~ PRCD-7109-2 ~ $14.98 Red Garland Trio Groovy ~ PRCD-7113-2 ~ $14.98 John Coltrane with the Red Garland Trio Traneing In ~ PRCD-7123-2 ~ $14.98 Miles Davis Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ~ PRCD-7129-2 ~ $14.98 The Red Garland Quintet All Mornin' Long ~ PRCD-7130-2 ~ $14.98 John Coltrane Soultrane ~ PRCD-7142-2 ~ $14.98 Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants ~ PRCD-7150-2 ~ $14.98 Workin' with the Miles Davis Quintet ~ PRCD-7166-2 ~ $14.98 Gene Ammons Boss Tenor ~ PRCD-7180-2 ~ $14.98 John Coltrane Lush Life ~ PRCD-7188-2 ~ $14.98 Steamin’ with the Miles Davis Quintet ~ PRCD-7200-2 ~ $14.98 Kenny Dorham Quiet Kenny ~ PRCD-8225-2 ~ $14.98 Eric Dolphy Quintet Outward Bound ~ PRCD-8236-2 ~ $14.98 Eric Dolphy Far Cry ~ PRCD-8270-2 ~ $14.98 Kenny Burrell & John Coltrane ~ PRCD-8276-2 ~ $14.98 RIVERSIDE Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane ~ RCD-46-2 ~ $14.98 Thelonious Monk Plays Duke Ellington ~ RCD-201-2 ~ $14.98 Bill Evans New Jazz Conceptions ~ RCD-223-2 ~ $14.98 Thelonious Monk Brillant Corners ~ RCD-226-2 ~ $14.98 Thelonious Monk Thelonious Himself ~ RCD-235-2 ~ $14.98 Sonny Rollins The Sound of Sonny ~ RCD-241-2 ~ $14.98 Thelonious Monk Monk's Music ~ RCD-242-2 ~ $14.98 Mulligan Meets Monk ~ RCD-1106-2 ~ $14.98 Chet Baker in New York ~ RCD-1119-2 ~ $14.98 Chet Baker Sings It Could Happen to You ~ RCD-1120-2 ~ $14.98 Cannonball Adderley/Milt Jackson Things Are Getting Better ~ RCD-1128-2 ~ $14.98 Everybody Digs Bill Evans ~ RCD-1129-2 ~ $14.98 Thelonious Monk Quartet Misterioso ~ RCD-1133-2 ~ $14.98 Chet Baker Chet ~ RCD-1135-2 ~ $14.98 Chet Baker Plays the Best of Lerner & Loewe ~ RCD-1152-2 ~ $14.98 The Wes Montgomery Trio ~ RCD-1156-2 ~ $14.98 Cannonball Adderley in San Francisco ~ RCD-1157-2 ~ $14.98 Bill Evans Portrait in Jazz ~ RCD-1162-2 ~ $14.98 Wes Montgomery Incredible Jazz Guitar ~ RCD-1169-2 ~ $14.98 Bill Evans Trio Explorations ~ RCD-9351-2 ~ $14.98 Bill Evans Trio Sunday at the Village Vanguard ~ RCD-9376-2 ~ $14.98 Bill Evans Waltz for Debby ~ RCD-9399-2 ~ $14.98 Milt Jackson & Wes Montgomery Bags Meets Wes! ~ RCD-9407-2 ~ $14.98 Cannonball Adderley/Bill Evans Know What I Mean? ~ RCD-9433-2 ~ $14.98 Wes Montgomery Full House ~ RCD-9434-2 ~ $14.98 Charlie Byrd Bossa Nova Pelos Pássaros ~ RCD-9436-2 ~ $14.98 Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers Caravan ~ RCD-9438-2 ~ $14.98 Wes Montgomery Boss Guitar ~ RCD-9459-2 ~ $14.98 These albums were mastered in analog utilizing the 20-Bit K2 Super Coding System. Developed by JVC, the 20-Bit K2 Super Coding System integrates three important digital audio functions: 1. The JVC 20-Bit, 128 times over-sampling high resolution analog to digital converter. 2. The JVC K2 Super Coding resolves the high resolution 20-Bit signal to the 16-Bit compact disc format while retaining the integrity of the low level information. 3. The JVC K2 Interface effectively eliminates time base jitter in the digital data stream. The end result is a compact disc of extraordinarily higher resolution than that of today's conventional compact discs. The 20-Bit K2 Super Coding System allows the listener to hear every subtle sonic nuance from the breathing of the musicians to the explosive crack of the snare drum. Enjo Edited June 17, 2006 by Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted June 17, 2006 Report Share Posted June 17, 2006 Whatever the outcome, find the K2 of Monk's Music. It is wonderful. Life expanding music, perfectly presented. I'm madly iso the K2 of his San Fernando Valley concert. Got a spare copy for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted June 19, 2006 Report Share Posted June 19, 2006 Captain Beefheart may not be the single most reliable historian on the planet Bertrand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverrat Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Moving this thread to the top again to ask if any of the domestic K2's in this series are available at yourmusic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Moving this thread to the top again to ask if any of the domestic K2's in this series are available at yourmusic? Used to be a few but think they have been deleted. Not completely sure but they have been going away. Just ordered the K2 of Dolphy's Far Cry from Caiman (via amazon). They say it shipped 2 days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Moving this thread to the top again to ask if any of the domestic K2's in this series are available at yourmusic? I've been looking for Concord items at Your Music. All of the Fantasy titles I was aware of have been deleted. However, I find two Manhattan Transfer Telarc albums still available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Moving this thread to the top again for the list of K2's. [search function doesn't like short terms like "K2"]. I've largely ignored K2 reissues until this blowout sale, probably because I didn't think a sonic upgrade was worth the extra $. But now I am a bit more intrigued. Just how tough is it to come by these versions in the normal course? Previously I had acquired used copies of Soultrane, Misterioso, and Tenor Madness. I understand that these are supposedly limited editions of 10,000, and from the current Saxophone Colossus thread that that one is tough to track down. The following list are the K2 titles listed above that I believe were not part of the current summer blowout sale (I've left off Soultrane and Worktime because they appeared at least briefly, and a few of these may have been included but I don't recall seeing them). Cannonball Adderley in San Francisco ~ RCD-1157-2 Chet Baker Chet ~ RCD-1135-2 Count Basie Basie Big Band ~ PACD-2310-756-2 The Tony Bennett/Bill Evans Album ~ FCD-9489-2 Dave Brubeck Quartet Jazz at the College of the Pacific ~ FTB-3223-2 Kenny Burrell & John Coltrane ~ PRCD-8276-2 Benny Carter Jazz Giant ~ CCD-7555-2 Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants ~ PRCD-7150-2 Bill Evans Portrait in Jazz ~ RCD-1162-2 Bill Evans Trio Sunday at the Village Vanguard ~ RCD-9376-2 Bill Evans Waltz for Debby ~ RCD-9399-2 Bill Evans New Jazz Conceptions ~ RCD-223-2 Ella Fitzgerald Ella Abraça Jobim ~ PACD-2630-201-2 Ella Fitzgerald & Oscar Peterson Ella & Oscar ~ PACD-2310-759-2 Tommy Flanagan/John Coltrane/Kenny Burrell The Cats ~ NJCD-8217-2 Red Garland Trio Groovy ~ PRCD-7113-2 Vince Guaraldi Trio A Boy Named Charlie Brown ~ FTB-8430-2 Coleman Hawkins ~ The Hawk Flies High ~ RITB-233-2 Thelonious Monk Brilliant Corners ~ RCD-226-2 Thelonious Monk and Sonny Rollins ~ PRCD-7075-2 The Wes Montgomery Trio ~ RCD-1156-2 Joe Pass Blues for Fred ~ PATB-2310-931-2 Joe Pass Virtuoso ~ PACD-2310-708-2 Art Pepper + Eleven Modern Jazz Classics ~ CCD-7568-2 The Quintet Jazz at Massey Hall ~ DCD-124-2 Sonny Rollins Way Out West ~ CCD-7530-2 Sonny Rollins Saxophone Colossus ~ PRCD-7079-2 Sarah Vaughan & The Count Basie Orchestra Send in the Clowns ~ PACD-2312-130-2 Using the catalog numbers on the Concord website, all but a few of these appear to still be available. [i know, place no reliance on what is conveyed on their website and/or wait an hour for a different answer.] The titles above that do not appear in their catalog (in this manner at least) are: Chet Baker Chet (no price offered), Benny Carter Jazz Giant, Coleman Hawkins The Hawk Flies High, Thelonious Monk and Sonny Rollins, The Wes Montgomery Trio, Art Pepper + Eleven Modern Jazz Classics, and Jazz as Massey Hall. (...So Saxophone Colossus is listed available at $14.98, but not pictured on the Rollins page.) May also be worthwhile noting that the list in the earlier post does not include Art Pepper Winter Moon, Kenny Drew Trio, and Bill Evans Trio At Shelly's Manne-Hole as K2's. Looks like Cannonball Adderley Sextet In New York is/was also available as K2. Edited August 19, 2006 by Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) When they started the K2 series I wondered why they kept the corresponding OJC CDs in print - some titles were available in three or even four formats: OJC, K2, perhaps some audiophile issue on a different label, as part of a box set, and then SACD. When the RVGs started, it was clear, one of the series had to go. Bad aspect is, that some K2 or SACD remasterings certainly sound better than the RVGs ever will. Edited August 19, 2006 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Surely all this is subjective. I mean Hans hates RVGs and touts any other release, though he probably hasn't heard an RVG in years, and they don't sound as they did at first at all. I personally have found no series to be consistently superior. TOCJs often bore me with blandness. RVGs are generally my favorite choice, though there are some that I don't like to listen to. K2s are generally darned nice, but there are some regular OJCs I prefer to K2 versions (for example Kirk Felton's remastering of "Wide Open Spaces" slays the Japanese K2). Some SACDs are definitely better than others, I find SACDs to be quite inconsistent in sound from label to label and even from release to release within a label's line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) (...) I mean Hans hates RVGs and touts any other release, though he probably hasn't heard an RVG in years (...) I'm sorry?? You'd better verify statements like that first before you make them. I take exception to your insinuation Edited August 19, 2006 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 When they started the K2 series I wondered why they kept the corresponding OJC CDs in print "In print" is probably not the right term, as it seems that Fantasy had loads of OJC CDs in stock, without the need to repress them regularly. So they kept the OJCs in the catalogue as long as they were in stock. Now Concord is dumping those stocks at ridiculous prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Moving this thread to the top again for the list of K2's. [search function doesn't like short terms like "K2"]. I've largely ignored K2 reissues until this blowout sale, probably because I didn't think a sonic upgrade was worth the extra $. But now I am a bit more intrigued. Just how tough is it to come by these versions in the normal course? Previously I had acquired used copies of Soultrane, Misterioso, and Tenor Madness. I understand that these are supposedly limited editions of 10,000, and from the current Saxophone Colossus thread that that one is tough to track down. The following list are the K2 titles listed above that I believe were not part of the current summer blowout sale (I've left off Soultrane and Worktime because they appeared at least briefly, and a few of these may have been included but I don't recall seeing them). Cannonball Adderley in San Francisco ~ RCD-1157-2 Chet Baker Chet ~ RCD-1135-2 Count Basie Basie Big Band ~ PACD-2310-756-2 The Tony Bennett/Bill Evans Album ~ FCD-9489-2 Dave Brubeck Quartet Jazz at the College of the Pacific ~ FTB-3223-2 Kenny Burrell & John Coltrane ~ PRCD-8276-2 Benny Carter Jazz Giant ~ CCD-7555-2 Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants ~ PRCD-7150-2 Bill Evans Portrait in Jazz ~ RCD-1162-2 Bill Evans Trio Sunday at the Village Vanguard ~ RCD-9376-2 Bill Evans Waltz for Debby ~ RCD-9399-2 Bill Evans New Jazz Conceptions ~ RCD-223-2 Ella Fitzgerald Ella Abraça Jobim ~ PACD-2630-201-2 Ella Fitzgerald & Oscar Peterson Ella & Oscar ~ PACD-2310-759-2 Tommy Flanagan/John Coltrane/Kenny Burrell The Cats ~ NJCD-8217-2 Red Garland Trio Groovy ~ PRCD-7113-2 Vince Guaraldi Trio A Boy Named Charlie Brown ~ FTB-8430-2 Coleman Hawkins ~ The Hawk Flies High ~ RITB-233-2 Thelonious Monk Brilliant Corners ~ RCD-226-2 Thelonious Monk and Sonny Rollins ~ PRCD-7075-2 The Wes Montgomery Trio ~ RCD-1156-2 Joe Pass Blues for Fred ~ PATB-2310-931-2 Joe Pass Virtuoso ~ PACD-2310-708-2 Art Pepper + Eleven Modern Jazz Classics ~ CCD-7568-2 The Quintet Jazz at Massey Hall ~ DCD-124-2 Sonny Rollins Way Out West ~ CCD-7530-2 Sonny Rollins Saxophone Colossus ~ PRCD-7079-2 Sarah Vaughan & The Count Basie Orchestra Send in the Clowns ~ PACD-2312-130-2 Using the catalog numbers on the Concord website, all but a few of these appear to still be available. [i know, place no reliance on what is conveyed on their website and/or wait an hour for a different answer.] The titles above that do not appear in their catalog (in this manner at least) are: Chet Baker Chet (no price offered), Benny Carter Jazz Giant, Coleman Hawkins The Hawk Flies High, Thelonious Monk and Sonny Rollins, The Wes Montgomery Trio, Art Pepper + Eleven Modern Jazz Classics, and Jazz as Massey Hall. (...So Saxophone Colossus is listed available at $14.98, but not pictured on the Rollins page.) May also be worthwhile noting that the list in the earlier post does not include Art Pepper Winter Moon, Kenny Drew Trio, and Bill Evans Trio At Shelly's Manne-Hole as K2's. Looks like Cannonball Adderley Sextet In New York is/was also available as K2. Thelonious Alone in San Francisco is another one that was not in the sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) (...) I mean Hans hates RVGs and touts any other release, though he probably hasn't heard an RVG in years (...) I'm sorry?? You'd better verify statements like that first before you make them. I take exception to your insinuation Just an impression I get because you don't mention hearing a single NEW RVG for years, and you take a lot of oppotrunities to bash them. Sorry if you don't like the way that comes across, but it's an isinuation grown from what you've written. RVGs have in my opinion been getting better and better as teh series continues. And all the Prestige ones I've heard are very nice. If I were to judge the series on the first few years of releases, I'd have a different opinon. Edited August 20, 2006 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) (...) I mean Hans hates RVGs and touts any other release, though he probably hasn't heard an RVG in years (...) I'm sorry?? You'd better verify statements like that first before you make them. I take exception to your insinuation Just an impression I get because you don't mention hearing a single NEW RVG for years, and you take a lot of oppotrunities to bash them. Sorry if you don't like the way that comes across, but it's an isinuation grown from what you've written. For your information: I have not bashed any RVGs from more recent batches - though I did in fact listen to a couple a few months ago and wasn't impressed, to say the least - I just occasionally posted that I generally don't like RVGs. Your insinuation is based, as you say, on an impression, not on facts; it implies deception or worse on my part, and I strongly object to that, I find it disgusting and insulting. I'm out of here. Edited August 20, 2006 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Wow, I certainly didn't mean to be insulting or to cause disgust. I'm just going on what I read here, for your information. THAT is how it comes off. Sorry to get you so upset, but I honestly don't feel I have much to apologize about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBlutarski Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 although old, this is an interesting threat. JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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