jmjk Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 and another thing...anyone ever check out his Riverside album where he sings also? I really don't like his singing voice, but for some reason I can't part with that disc. There's something very poignant about KD's vocals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 About time for an RVG of Afro-Cuban. Yes! Was just diggin' "KD's Cab Ride" yesterday, as it came up thru the shuffle on my iPod. His tone is just gorgeous. Real title "Echo of Spring". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 and another thing...anyone ever check out his Riverside album where he sings also? I really don't like his singing voice, but for some reason I can't part with that disc. There's something very poignant about KD's vocals. Superb phrasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 About time for an RVG of Afro-Cuban. Yes! Yes! YES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 While I was always "fine" with KD's playing, I don't think I really ever got it until I got the RVG of "Trompeta Tocatta" last year. That one really opened up my ears. Its definitely my favorite album under his name, and it gave me a whole new appreciation for his other ones, like "Whistle Stop" and "Una Mas". "Quiet Kenny" is another favorite. "Jazz Contrasts" is excellent and doesn't seem to be discussed much. Some peak Sonny Rollins on that one, and KD sounds great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Kenny Dorham is one of my very favorite trumpet players. He adds something special to almost every recording on which he plays. As a few others have mentioned, his Cafe Bohemia dates with Blakey are great. Here are some of the many other sessions on which he plays (not yet mentioned) that I like a lot. Sonny Rollins - Movin' Out Tadd Dameron - Fontainbleau Presenting Ernie henry Herb Geller - Fire In The West Kenny Dorham - Blue Spring Milt Jackson - Invitation Kenny Dorham Memorial Album - Jaro/Xanadu/Fresh Sound Clifford Jordan Starting Time Barry Harris - Bulls-Eye Cedar Walton - Trio/Quartet/Quintet another great record with great KD on it is Oliver Nelson - Meet Oliver Nelson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 I have already recommended these Barney Wilens on other KD threads (there are two volumes) Prime Dorham caught live at the Club Saint-Germain in Paris, with Duke Jordan on piano! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 The Strata East session that pairs Dorham with Cecil Payne, entitled Zodiac, is worth seeking out. It was out on compact disc for about three seconds ... What do you guys think of Dorham's Steeplechase albums? I've never heard them, but have read about them — with the remarks not always being very positive. Dorham's daughter posted twice on this board. It would be great if she could come back to update us on anything that might be in the works. I imagine there are a few recordings that missed the reissue boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 (edited) I love KD but recall "Jazz Contrasts" as being a virtually lifeless album, depsite the very promising line-up. I think that was a date where things were Keepnews-ized. Edited March 10, 2007 by Larry Kart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsjazz Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Concur the following; Cafe Bohemia,Whistle Stop,Quiet Kenny,Barney Wilen's Club St. Germaine How bout Jazz Contrasts w/ JR Monterose -I dig that also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Concur the following; Cafe Bohemia,Whistle Stop,Quiet Kenny,Barney Wilen's Club St. Germaine How bout Jazz Contrasts w/ JR Monterose -I dig that also Monterose isn't on "Jazz Contrasts," Rollins is. JR was a member of Dorham's Jazz Prophets group, which recorded for ABC-Paramount; he also appears on that live Blue Note KD Bohemia date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Listened to "Jazz Contrasts" again. Rollins sounds very fragmentary and distracted IMO; my guess is that Hank Jones' rather busy comping was not at all to his taste, nor to KD's either. Also, none of the soloists is really making the tempo that Max sets on "La Villa." By chance, the Milestone LP two-fer on which I have the "Jazz Contrasts" tracks also includes three tracks from a terrific KD album of that time -- "Two Horns/Two Rhythm," with Ernie Henry, bassist Eddie Mathias (or Wilbur Ware), and drummer G.T. Hogan. Turning to "Lotus Blossom" from that date after the "Jazz Contrasts" stuff was a revelation; KD sounds so relaxed, rhythmically locked-in, and fluid. And Ernie Henry! His solo on "Lotus Blossom" comes close to forecasting Ornette at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 I was hoping someone'd mention Two Horns / Two Rhythm . Bit of a strange ensemble without piano (KD plays a brief piano intro on one track), but Henry and KD are in excellent form. One outtake from this session is on Henry's Last Chorus CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 While I was always "fine" with KD's playing, I don't think I really ever got it until I got the RVG of "Trompeta Tocatta" last year. That one really opened up my ears. Its definitely my favorite album under his name. Don't you just love those loooong tracks? Al Lion was really hip to allow those. That Trompeta track is a masterpiece of sustained mood. I love it when Tommy Flanagan solos after the horns - calm but very deep. Maybe it was the Jimmy Smith influence that made Lion go for long tracks by other guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 KD is in fine form on a nice but somewhat raggedy 1961 date "Ease It," which was recorded and originally issued (at least I think it was -- I have it as a 1974 Muse LP) under the leadership of tenorman Rocky Boyd. The rhythm section is Walter Bishop (dealing with a jangly piano), Ron Carter, and the marvelous Pete La Roca. Boyd is interesting -- kind of a cross between Wayne Shorter and Eddie Harris (or Tina Brooks?); he had an unearthly purity of tone at times (e.g. "Stella by Starlight," with fine work by both horns). It would have been nice to hear how Boyd developed over the years, but that was not to be. He worked with Miles for a short while, between Mobley and Shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Not that anyone should care, but leaving aside the Bud Shank-Laurindo Almeida stuff from the early 1950s, which in part gave rise to the Bossa Nova back in Brazil, I wonder whether the version of Luiz Bonfa's "Samba De Orfeu" on "Ease It!" (rec. March 13, 1961) is the first American jazz version of a Bossa Nova piece. If so, the second might be Curtis Fuller's version of Jobim's "One Note Samba" (rec. Aug. 23, 1961) -- with Zoot Sims, Curtis Fuller, Tommy Flanagan, Jymie Merritt, Dave Bailey -- on the album "South American Cookin'" (Epic); these men, plus Dorham, were on a South American tour together in early '61, where their interest in Bossa Nova material no doubt was piqued. In any case, Boyd-Dorham and Fuller recordings precede the Stan Getz-Charlie Byrd album (rec. Feb. 13, 1962) that sparked the jazz-Bossa Nova craze and probably precede the Vince Guaraldi album of "Black Orpheus" material as well. (Don't have a recording date for the Guaraldi, but it was released in April 1962.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaro Vega Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 For what it is worth there's a figure Sonny Rollins plays during his solo on "My Old Flame" from "Jazz Contrasts" which Trane picked out and turned into the head of "Like Sonny." Trane runs that figure at length during, I think it is, his solo during "On Green Dolphin Street" in the 1960 concert Stockholm Concert with Miles. (Lewis Porter points out the allusion in "My Old Flame"). Picked up that Jazz Prophets group cd originally on ABC out of the blue a few years ago and dig it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 For what it is worth there's a figure Sonny Rollins plays during his solo on "My Old Flame" from "Jazz Contrasts" which Trane picked out and turned into the head of "Like Sonny." Trane runs that figure at length during, I think it is, his solo during "On Green Dolphin Street" in the 1960 concert Stockholm Concert with Miles. (Lewis Porter points out the allusion in "My Old Flame"). Picked up that Jazz Prophets group cd originally on ABC out of the blue a few years ago and dig it. This Jazz Prophets album originally on ABC says Vol.1 on the cover. I was always disappointed that no Vol.2 ever surfaced. Not sure if it was recorded but never released? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaro Vega Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 (edited) ? Time to look in the discography! From his session index: Kenny Dorham & The Jazz Prophets Cafe Bohemia, NYC, 1st set, May 31, 1956 Kenny Dorham & The Jazz Prophets w. Kenny Burrell Cafe Bohemia, NYC, 2nd set, May 31, 1956 Kenny Dorham & The Jazz Prophets w. Kenny Burrell Cafe Bohemia, NYC, 3rd set, May 31, 1956 Kenny Dorham & The Jazz Prophets w. Kenny Burrell Cafe Bohemia, NYC, 4th set, May 31, 1956 Phil Woods 7 VGS, Hackensack, NJ, June 15, 1956 Kenny Dorham & The Jazz Prophets NYC, July 19, 1956 The July 19th session does not appear to have been issued. The ABC session was done right before the Cafe Bohemia stand. Edited March 12, 2007 by Lazaro Vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 This Jazz Prophets album originally on ABC says Vol.1 on the cover. I was always disappointed that no Vol.2 ever surfaced. Not sure if it was recorded but never released? JR told me they recorded enough for a 2nd volume but it was not released. Cuscuna says the tapes did not survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 And Ernie Henry! His solo on "Lotus Blossom" comes close to forecasting Ornette at times. Very underrated/overlooked saxophonist--I'm sure a # of folks around here would agree. Picked up one of his CDs at a now-closed store in Bloomington here a few years back and since then have tried to run to ground everything he was on. Too bad about that second volume of Jazz Prophets... I've hoped against hope that tapes would turn up, but seems quite unlikely now. And interesting speculation about the first American jazz version of a bossa nova piece, Larry. I poked around in my books & CDs here at the house & couldn't find anything earlier than the date you mention... speaking of which, the recent Dizzy Mosaic set posits that Gillespie considered recording a bossa nova album before Getz/Byrd and company, and actually did (a live September 1961 performance at Monterey that included bossa numbers), but that Artie Shaw talked him out of releasing it right away. That recording, which eventually came out in 1974, is still subsequent to what you mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 This Jazz Prophets album originally on ABC says Vol.1 on the cover. I was always disappointed that no Vol.2 ever surfaced. Not sure if it was recorded but never released? JR told me they recorded enough for a 2nd volume but it was not released. Cuscuna says the tapes did not survive. That's what Cuscuna also told me years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted March 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 I had Trumpeta Toccata set for May in my Your Music queue, but since you are all so high on it I will bump it up to the top for next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. Clugston Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Nice to see there’s plenty of Kenny Dorham fans on the board. I had always overlooked Dorham, until I heard John Zorn of all people cover a couple of Dorham tunes and thought, wow, that’s some great writing. I’ve lately been buying up everything I can find of Dorham’s (Afro-Cuban, Trompeta Tocatta, Matador/Inta Somethin’, Quiet Kenny) and love everything I’ve heard. Afro-Cuban and Matador, in particular, are hugley under-rated. His writing is great—I can’t understand why his compositions, aside from “Blue Bossa,” aren’t more well-known—and his playing is fantastic. He plays with a lot more restraint than many of his hard boppin’ blow off the roof contemporaries, a strength underlined by his occasional nods towards classical territory. But in his later work, he would throw in a few smears and I wonder it that was part of why Lester Bowie so appreciated him. My favourite Dorham trumpet moment: “Autumn in New York” on Cafe Bohemia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaro Vega Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 (edited) My favourite Dorham trumpet moment: “Autumn in New York” on Cafe Bohemia. "Room 608" from the Horace Silver Quintet on Blue Note. He does well in Monk's sextet and on Andrew Hill's "Point of Departure," too. Edited March 15, 2007 by Lazaro Vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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