brownie Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 There was 'United 93', next at takeoff queue is 'World Trade Center'. 'WTC' trailer I have never been impressed by Oliver Stone's cinematography. I rate him as one of the most overrated directors doing films nowadays. I'll probably skip that one! Quote
David Ayers Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 Mass murder as entertainment for the masses. Nothing new there. Quote
Claude Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 Is that the movie for those who missed the real events on TV at the time? Better watch the Naudet documentary then. I don't see any value in making a fiction film about historic events that are so close, unless the author sheds some new light on them, which is not to be expected from this movie. Quote
catesta Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 United 93 is tanking, I hope the same for this one. Quote
Jim Dye Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/wtc/ Here is a link to several high quality versions of the trailer. I am more inclined to see this one than United 93. Perhaps because I was very familiar with the WTC and the whole downtown area. Quote
Jim R Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 Saw the trailer on YouTube a couple of days ago. No great desire to see this. Quote
Dan Gould Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 Well, this has got two huge strikes against it: The subject matter Oliver Stone even though this is reportedly not any sort of political screed and just a straightforward celebration of heroism and survival, its not something I need to see at all. I'm with you, Brownie, that Stone is a horrid film maker. Wall Street has got to be one of the worst films of all-time, I don't know what scene is more lame/annoying: when he berates his father in the elevator, with all that jumpy hand-held camera work; or when Gekko decides to dump the stock, the camera is shooting from down below, over his desk and up at his face, and suddenly the lights go out. WTF??? I hate those sudden power outages on Wall Street. Quote
Christiern Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 Another film to add to my "Ignore" list. aka the Shawn yawn? Quote
AllenLowe Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 well, I think Stone is a damn good film maker, but suffers from some bad scripts - and in this one he'll suffer from the presence of Nicolas Cage, who is the WORST actor, stiff and talentless and hopelessly transparent - Quote
Stereojack Posted May 20, 2006 Report Posted May 20, 2006 well, I think Stone is a damn good film maker, but suffers from some bad scripts - and in this one he'll suffer from the presence of Nicolas Cage, who is the WORST actor, stiff and talentless and hopelessly transparent - I don't have a problem with Cage, but I vowed a long time ago never to waste my time or money on any more of Oliver Stone's pretentious bullshit. Disliked "JFK" & "Natural Born Killers". HATED "The Doors"! The guy always has an agenda, and is SO full of himself. Quote
Adam Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 Stone's biggest problem is that he is hamfisted. He's full of ideas, and I think often good ones for finding appropriate visual strategies for his topics. But then he doesn't know how or when to stop, and he just hammers you his his point. I think his cinematography is great, generally, but a lot of that credit also goes to Robert Richardson. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 I must admit I liked Natural Born Killers, but that's about it for my list of Stone faves... Quote
Quincy Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 HATED "The Doors"! As an unintentional comedy though it's not bad. Quote
jazzbo Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 (edited) I actually may be one of the few people on the planet that genuinely liked Alexander. (Course I am fascinated with ancient history and would have seen this no matter who wroate and directed it and would have enjoyed even disliking a version for its inaccuracies, etc.--Stone did very well in this regard). I agree wholeheartedly about his "hamfistedness" in some films but in this one. . . I don't know, I think that his intent was to draw parallels to the Bush father and son campaigns and Philip's and Alexander's and yet no one else I know who saw the film got even a glimpse of that! Maybe I'm just way off base. I think the cinematography in this and others of his is really fine. Edited May 21, 2006 by jazzbo Quote
kinuta Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 Stone has made some bad films but I hardly think the label horrid filmmaker is fair. JFK and Nixon are both outstanding as pure film, not as agendas or alternative histories, just plain dynamic, interesting filmmaking. That's my opinion anyway. Quote
sal Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 I'm not a huge Oliver Stone fan either, though I do think Platoon is a great war movie. I saw United 93 and I will see this one as well. Quote
BruceH Posted May 21, 2006 Report Posted May 21, 2006 The old quote about Oliver Stone that I like the best, because it's so apt, is that he doesn't have a subtle bone in his body. He continues to live up to it. Quote
P.L.M Posted May 22, 2006 Report Posted May 22, 2006 (edited) well, I think Stone is a damn good film maker, but suffers from some bad scripts - and in this one he'll suffer from the presence of Nicolas Cage, who is the WORST actor, stiff and talentless and hopelessly transparent - Perfectly right but there's a problem here, as he is, before all, a script writer (!?) Edited May 22, 2006 by P.L.M Quote
Noj Posted May 22, 2006 Report Posted May 22, 2006 A good friend of mine worked special effects on this movie. He got to meet some of the firefighters--and said the set was so realistic that the firefighters were emotionally affected and didn't want to see it again after being shown it. Ol' hamfists smokes the good herb, I'm told. Quote
Big Al Posted May 22, 2006 Report Posted May 22, 2006 I have never been impressed by Oliver Stone's cinematography. I rate him as one of the most overrated directors doing films nowadays. I'll probably skip that one! What Brownie said. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted May 23, 2006 Report Posted May 23, 2006 I'm not a huge Oliver Stone fan either, though I do think Platoon is a great war movie. Yeah, it beat the holy shit out of Full Metal Jacket, and I'm a Kubrick fan... Quote
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